[permaculture] Pre-design for collapse
Nancy Frank
oppty at mac.com
Tue Sep 23 13:17:43 EDT 2008
Just one more thing, and then I will go on with my day. The manure
produced from llamas is high in nitrogen, and does not have to be
composted before it is applied to a garden. It doesn't burn the plants.
Nancy
On Sep 23, 2008, at 12:13 PM, Nancy Frank wrote:
> In response to your push carts and bicycle carts, I thought about
> other animals, like horses. I know that horses eat far too much to
> make them realistic for most, and are not sustainable in the long
> run. But llamas are MUCH more efficient with what they eat, can
> carry more per pound of body weight than a horse (a horse weighing
> 1,000 pounds will carry about 210 pounds, llamas weighing 300 pounds
> will carry about 50-75 pounds). They also keep brush down, as
> browsers rather than only grass grazers, provide delightful wool for
> spinning, knitting and weaving warm winter outerwear and sweaters,
> and are friendly as companions. Just a thought.
>
> I am learning a great deal from this list, and appreciate the
> information.
>
> Nancy in Wisconsin
>
> On Sep 23, 2008, at 12:02 PM, Robert Waldrop wrote:
>
>> One final note. . . we had a potluck meal at
>> lunch, and I always think that potlucks are great
>> ideas for one day events. That way one person
>> isn't consumed with cooking/preparing for the
>> group, all can participate, and all take
>> responsibility for the food. Table fellowship is
>> important.
>>
>> Melbourne is a great city, I was there a while in
>> 1972, staying with a Greek family in Clifton Hill.
>> We heated our room with charcoal briquets that we
>> bought from a guy who came by once a week with a
>> push cart loaded with big sacks of briquets. I'm
>> sure things have changed a lot since then.
>> Pushcarts will be useful though. we didn't spend
>> a lot of time on it, but we did talk briefly about
>> using handcarts to move grain. That would require
>> more carts, because the turn-around time is
>> longer, and we figured there would be enough
>> bicycles in the area to do the more-efficient
>> bicycle cart, especially the rail-bike version
>> which, lacking fuel for trains, would be the most
>> efficient.
>>
>> Being close to the ocean will be helpful for
>> Melbourne, although that depends on what has
>> happened with the fishing close to shore. Also,
>> IIRC, quite a bit of wheat is grown in Victoria,
>> although I don't know how the drought is impacting
>> that. I don't know what we would do in Oklahoma
>> without those large silos of grain and soybeans
>> that ring the city and which even just before
>> harvest will typically have enough product in them
>> to feed the state the basic ration we devised.
>>
>> Bob Waldrop
>> www.barkingfrogspermaculture.org
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Rafael Schouten" <talktoraf at hotmail.com>
>> To: <permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 10:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Pre-design for
>> collapse
>>
>>
>>> Hi Robert,
>>>
>>> the collapse workshop is a great idea, inspired
>>> me to organise one in
>>> melbourne in the next few weeks. Any ideas for
>>> form, content etc? what worked?
>>> cheers
>>>
>>> Rafael Schouten
>>>
>>>
>>
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