[permaculture] Trends in America

Nancy Frank oppty at mac.com
Wed Oct 29 20:26:21 EDT 2008


Steve -

I think it will be awhile before we get as far as we've come and  
return to common land.

Nancy

On Oct 29, 2008, at 3:57 PM, Steve Read wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Amazing lots of possesssive pronouns being used on this particular  
> thread, what were those old ideals about land tenure etc? Renting,  
> Hmmmm being Landlords (or ladies), I obviously need to do some more  
> self -development because those are things I (re) act to. An  
> ancestor of mine was killed in a mining accident after he was,  
> after living there for generations as a Freemen, thrown off the  
> common land by a Govt enclosure act which gave it to a landowner,  
> so he and family moved on and he did what was left to him, mining,  
> and it killed him. Up to then the Common land had been worked  
> sustainably, tended and cared for collectively and had provided a  
> livelihood for many many people.  Private property Hmmmm..........
>
> SteveR
>
>
> ======= At 2008-10-29, 21:25:09 you wrote: =======
>
>> I think there are many of us that have land that we will need to  
>> share in
>> the future (near and distant) with people with skills and work  
>> ethic.  I
>> have been working on my 54 acres for 6 years now and it is nowhere  
>> near a
>> finished product.  I have had several employees over the last few  
>> years.
>> None of them would be allowed to live here or be a renter.
>> Margaret
>> http://farfarawayfarm.blogspot.com/
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Nancy Frank" <oppty at mac.com>
>> To: "permaculture" <permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:58 AM
>> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Trends in America
>>
>>
>>> As long as we are in the conversation.  I didn't set out to purchase
>>> land for a permaculture farm, but I am a single woman who was raised
>>> in the city until I was about 30 (now 52), and have 55 acres (30
>>> woods -- 25 open) in northwestern Wisconsin, with some sheep,  
>>> llamas,
>>> chickens, etc., and am very interested in creating more  
>>> opportunities
>>> to utilize more of the land for sustainability.  I have a room for
>>> rent in my 100 year-old farmhouse to a non-smoking woman who is
>>> interested in producing food from this land, making some sustainable
>>> changes, and living in a wonderful rural community.  The  
>>> community is
>>> eco-friendly, and there are several small start-up sustainable farms
>>> around.  If anyone knows of someone interested in this opportunity,
>>> please have them contact me privately.  It could be a seasonal
>>> rental, or year-round.
>>>
>>> Nancy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 29, 2008, at 11:53 AM, KSantoyo wrote:
>>>
>>>> In response to Isabel's original post- not sure what the problem  
>>>> is?!
>>>> People buying up land and wanting to create a place where people  
>>>> can
>>>> come learn about growing and living together- ohmigosh- that's
>>>> horrible!
>>>>
>>>> So what if they don't have the skill sets yet...it sounds like they
>>>> know enough to seek help from people who know more than they
>>>> do...Isn't that what this whole process is about -education?  
>>>> Learning
>>>> so that one can become more capable and able to better  
>>>> contribute to
>>>> the health of the whole?
>>>>
>>>> What a resource these new landowners are offering to those who wish
>>>> they had a place to go get some hands-on experience, or simply
>>>> practice their passion and skills...
>>>>
>>>> As Trudie alludes to, imagine roving bands of skilled  
>>>> permaculturists-
>>>> permaculture gypsies!- moving from site to site, living for a  
>>>> while in
>>>> the community, and helping people get their systems properly set  
>>>> up-
>>>> seems like that would be a good thing...
>>>>
>>>> to the good green road,
>>>>
>>>> Kathryn Santoyo
>>>> earthflow.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: permaculture-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
>>>> [mailto:permaculture-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of  
>>>> Udan Farm
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 10:17 AM
>>>> To: permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org
>>>> Subject: [permaculture] Trends in America
>>>>
>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>
>>>> I admit, I do not keep up with this list nearly as much as I would
>>>> like
>>>> to, but I'd like to start a discussion about a trend I see, and
>>>> perhaps
>>>> how to alter it, or harness it, or ???
>>>>
>>>> I live in a southern state, so we are fairly far behind in
>>>> Permaculture,
>>>> as in, classes being taught, and interest in general.
>>>> I am a new Permaculture teacher, trying to get the word out, and my
>>>> partner and I will be student teaching our first design course this
>>>> winter.
>>>>
>>>> What I have noticed here in our southern state is a trend of fairly
>>>> wealthy couples, or single middle aged women, who "decide" to  
>>>> start a
>>>> farm, eco-village, or other farm related business, with little  
>>>> prior
>>>> knowledge. They go buy the land with little realization of what to
>>>> look
>>>> for, realize that it's a lot of work, and then want someone to come
>>>> "assess" their land. Most of them want to host a class (mainly  
>>>> because
>>>> they are too busy to leave the farm) and hope that it will include
>>>> lots
>>>> of people planting trees for them. In other words, they want
>>>> someone to
>>>> come "DO" permaculture to their farm, and hope it won't cost much.
>>>> Generally they also hold down jobs in another town or they live  
>>>> part
>>>> time in another place. They had enough money to create the
>>>> beginning of
>>>> the dream but no clue how to sustain it or build it.
>>>>
>>>> I don't want to come off sounding like a whiner here. But this is
>>>> happening over, and over and over here in my state. You can pretty
>>>> much
>>>> map them out, about 100 miles apart.
>>>> We are feeling very much pulled by every little wind as  
>>>> permaculture
>>>> teachers, so we are having to be very selective about what we do.
>>>>
>>>> What I was wondering-I don't mean to just crab about it- is are any
>>>> other Permaculture Teachers out there experiencing this, and what
>>>> do you
>>>> tell folks, and how could we get them all together? Mind you  
>>>> it's a 5
>>>> hour drive from one end of the state to another
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "
>>>> This is really, in my opinion, an indicator of our larger American
>>>> society in general. We have enough money to go off in our little
>>>> corner
>>>> and live, and we want others to "work for us", as we have come to
>>>> expect. (I don't think that, but I think American society in
>>>> general-or
>>>> at least upper and upper-middle class society does.)
>>>>
>>>> Granted the tide seems to have turned, and people may be more  
>>>> serious
>>>> and honest about wanting to live simply and sustainably...
>>>>
>>>> but I just wondered what my fellow Perm. folks out there are
>>>> experiencing, and how they are turning THE PROBLEM INTO THE  
>>>> SOLUTION.
>>>>
>>>> Peace,
>>>> Isabel
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> 2008-10-29
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