[permaculture] permaculture Digest, Vol 69, Issue 23

D Crimmins dcrimmins71 at hotmail.com
Thu Oct 23 13:32:15 EDT 2008




Raintree nursery sells Paw-Paws.  So does Gurney. Been looking forward to planting one.
http://www.raintreenursery.com/catalog/producttype.cfm?producttype=PAW

http://gurneys.com/product.asp?pn=69591&bhcd2=1224782702


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>    1. Re: paw paw seeds (Pat Meadows)
>    2.  low pressure faucets for rainwater (Paul Cross)
>    3. Re: re yellowjackets (George Anna Clark)
>    4. Re: paw paw seeds (Douglas Woodard)
>    5. llamas (SArjuna at aol.com)
>    6. Re: llamas (ed sarten)
>    7. Quassia for amoebic dysentery,	giardia and worms? - Boing
>       Boing (Lawrence F. London, Jr.)
>    8. Re: paw paw seeds (Scott Pittman)
>    9. Reminder of Financial Permaculture event internet	access
>       (Robert Waldrop)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:58:20 -0400
> From: Pat Meadows <pat at meadows.pair.com>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] paw paw seeds
> To: permaculture <permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org>
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> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:04:46 -0500, you wrote:
> 
> >This is pretty interesting. Do you eat them raw? 
> >Chew them or crack them or swallow them whole?
> >
> 
> Papayas are called 'pawpaws' in Australia and other places.  This may be
> what was meant.  
> 
> So far as I know, the fruit called 'pawpaw' in the USA, Asimina triloba, is
> only found in this country, and just possibly in some parts of southern
> Canada.
> 
> USA pawpaw:  
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pawpaw
> 
> vs.
> 
> Australian (etc.) pawpaw:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papaya 
> 
> Pat
> -- northern Pennsylvania
> Website:  www.meadows.pair.com/articleindex.html
> 
> "Rats and roaches live by competition under the laws of
> supply and demand. It is the privilege of human beings to
> live under the laws of justice and mercy." - Wendell Berry 
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:38:17 -0600
> From: Paul Cross <charybda at newmex.com>
> Subject: [permaculture]  low pressure faucets for rainwater
> To: permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org, raincascadia at yahoo.com
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> You get 0.43 psi per foot of head, and then your small pipe has friction 
> losses on top of that. So at 4 feet you are maybe at 1.6 psi. Not a lot. 
> Check your faucets to see if they have any aerators or flow restrictors 
> on them. These are removable and that might be all you need to do to get 
> some flow.
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:27:13 -0500
> From: George Anna Clark <esac at laneta.apc.org>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] re yellowjackets
> To: permaculture <permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org>
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> where it's impossible to allow them to stay, I spray them with detergent 
> in water, early in the morning when they seem to be all attached to 
> their nest. then knock the nest down.
> 
> george anna
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:49:45 -0400
> From: Douglas Woodard <dwoodard at becon.org>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] paw paw seeds
> To: permaculture <permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Pawpaws are certainly found in some parts of southern Ontario, Canada, 
> but they are rare, limited to the Niagara Peninsula and regions near 
> Lake Erie.
> 
> Doug Woodard
> St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada
> Niagara Peninsula
> 
> 
> 
> Pat Meadows wrote:
> > On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:04:46 -0500, you wrote:
> > 
> >> This is pretty interesting. Do you eat them raw? 
> >> Chew them or crack them or swallow them whole?
> >>
> > 
> > Papayas are called 'pawpaws' in Australia and other places.  This may be
> > what was meant.  
> > 
> > So far as I know, the fruit called 'pawpaw' in the USA, Asimina triloba, is
> > only found in this country, and just possibly in some parts of southern
> > Canada.
> > 
> > USA pawpaw:  
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pawpaw
> > 
> > vs.
> > 
> > Australian (etc.) pawpaw:
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papaya 
> > 
> > Pat
> > -- northern Pennsylvania
> 
> 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:16:35 EDT
> From: SArjuna at aol.com
> Subject: [permaculture] llamas
> To: permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org
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>      So now I've come to your post about llamas, which I had never considered 
> having.   Hmmm.   Can llamas be trained to pull a cart or buggy that one 
> rides in?    Or just led as pack animals?
>      Shivani
> 
> In a message dated 9/23/08 12:22:44 PM, 
> permaculture-request at lists.ibiblio.org writes:
> > 
> > > In response to your push carts and bicycle carts, I thought about
> > > other animals, like horses.? I know that horses eat far too much to
> > > make them realistic for most, and are not sustainable in the long
> > > run.? But llamas are MUCH more efficient with what they eat, can
> > > carry more per pound of body weight than a horse (a horse weighing
> > > 1,000 pounds will carry about 210 pounds, llamas weighing 300 pounds
> > > will carry about 50-75 pounds).? They also keep brush down, as
> > > browsers rather than only grass grazers, provide delightful wool for
> > > spinning, knitting and weaving warm winter outerwear and sweaters,
> > > and are friendly as companions.? Just a thought.
> > >
> > 
> 
> 
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:08:06 -0700 (PDT)
> From: ed sarten <esarten at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] llamas
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> can a llama take -50 degrees farenheit?Ed Ruby,Alaska
> 
> --- On Wed, 10/22/08, SArjuna at aol.com <SArjuna at aol.com> wrote:
> From: SArjuna at aol.com <SArjuna at aol.com>
> Subject: [permaculture] llamas
> To: permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 6:16 PM
> 
>      So now I've come to your post about llamas, which I had never
> considered 
> having.   Hmmm.   Can llamas be trained to pull a cart or buggy that one 
> rides in?    Or just led as pack animals?
>      Shivani
> 
> In a message dated 9/23/08 12:22:44 PM, 
> permaculture-request at lists.ibiblio.org writes:
> > 
> > > In response to your push carts and bicycle carts, I thought about
> > > other animals, like horses.? I know that horses eat far too much to
> > > make them realistic for most, and are not sustainable in the long
> > > run.? But llamas are MUCH more efficient with what they eat, can
> > > carry more per pound of body weight than a horse (a horse weighing
> > > 1,000 pounds will carry about 210 pounds, llamas weighing 300 pounds
> > > will carry about 50-75 pounds).? They also keep brush down, as
> > > browsers rather than only grass grazers, provide delightful wool for
> > > spinning, knitting and weaving warm winter outerwear and sweaters,
> > > and are friendly as companions.? Just a thought.
> > >
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 02:04:48 -0400
> From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lflj at intrex.net>
> Subject: [permaculture] Quassia for amoebic dysentery,	giardia and
> 	worms? - Boing Boing
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> Quassia for amoebic dysentery, giardia and worms? - Boing Boing
> http://www.boingboing.net/2008/10/22/quassia-for-amoebic.html
> Boing Boing - A directory of wonderful things
> Quassia for amoebic dysentery, giardia and worms?
> Posted by Mark Frauenfelder, October 22, 2008 4:01 PM | permalink
> 200810221601
> 
> Evan Ravitz has a knoll about curing parasitical infections naturally with Quassia, which contains the "phytochemical 
> quassin, the bitterest substance found in nature."
> 
>      People traveling in 3rd world countries are often afraid of intestinal parasites, but, having lived for 3 years in 
> poorer areas of Mexico and 2 in Guatemala, I learned there are easy solutions. I picked up amoebic dysentery several 
> times while on long bicycle trips, and knowing how to deal with them, I was able to continue with no problems. This 
> method is for healthy people only!
> 
>      Here's how I do it: If my gut hurts, I wait two days. If it's just a bacterial infection, you should start to feel 
> better. Coconut milk is very soothing. Definitely avoid alcohol and sweets, which bacteria and other parasites love.
> 
>      If after 2 days, you feel as bad or worse, you should start treatment with a ?full-spectrum antibiotic? -or the 
> herb Quassia, which is used in much the same way -especially if there is mucus in your feces and sulphur in the gas you 
> pass.In most of Latin America, just go to a Pharmacia and ask for Flagyl (or the generic Metronidazole), the cheap drug 
> available everywhere or say ?tengo amebas? (?I have amoebas?) and they'll almost certainly give you Flagyl. In the U.S. 
> you need a prescription, so DON'T WAIT until you return or you'll have to pay for expensive tests to get treatment 
> -while the amoebas are eating your lunch, dinner and breakfast and you are getting weaker.
> 
>      Quassia won't make you feel as bad as Flagyl, but neither is fun. Both are killing everything in your gut, so you 
> need to replenish the beneficial bacteria with probiotics, like yoghurt, kefir, sauerkraut, miso, etc., after the treatment.
> 
>      Often people with amoebas will wait longer until they're really sick and go to a doctor for a stool test. If they 
> don't find the amoebas with a microscope the first time, and you wait longer, it will take weeks or more to recover your 
> strength after you take the treatment. That's why I assume I have them if I don't feel better in 2 days. Neither 
> treatment is pleasant, but you'll function fine, which is nearly impossible with amoebas.
> 
>      Quassia is available at herb and health food shops. It will be either shredded or chopped. Take a large handful on 
> your trip, which should cost a few bucks.
> 
> How to cure amoebic dysentery, giardia and worms with Quassia
> http://knol.google.com/k/evan-ravitz/cure-parasites-naturally/3cmgruezxadws/2#
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 09:17:39 -0600
> From: "Scott Pittman" <scott at permaculture.org>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] paw paw seeds
> To: "'permaculture'" <permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org>
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> I swallow a few raw as I peel and deseed the fruit.
> 
> Scott Pittman
> Director
> Permaculture Institute
> www.permaculture.org
> -----Original Message-----
> From: permaculture-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:permaculture-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Robert Waldrop
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 8:05 PM
> To: permaculture
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] paw paw seeds
> 
> This is pretty interesting. Do you eat them raw? 
> Chew them or crack them or swallow them whole?
> 
> Bob Waldrop, OKC
> www.barkingfrogspermaculture.org
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Scott Pittman" <scott at permaculture.org>
> To: "'permaculture'" 
> <permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 11:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] paw paw seeds
> 
> 
> When I am in the tropics I eat a few paw-paw seeds 
> to kill intestinal
> parasites that I may pick up - particularly worms. 
> I eat four or five a day
> and have never suffered any ill effects.
> 
> Scott Pittman
> Director
> Permaculture Institute
> www.permaculture.org
> -----Original Message-----
> From: permaculture-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:permaculture-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On 
> Behalf Of Paul d'Aoust
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 4:25 PM
> To: permaculture
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] paw paw seeds
> 
> Further to what Jordan says, PFAF says the seeds 
> contain toxic
> alcaloids, and are emetic (i.e., make you barf):
> 
> http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants.php?Asimina+triloba
> 
> El vie, 17-10-2008 a las 16:53 -0700, Jordan Fink 
> escribi?:
> > I would say "NO"
> > paw paws are already slightly carcinogenic, and 
> > their seeds are very
> > poisonous from what ive read.
> >
> > -j
> >
> >
> > > Can I eat the seeds of the paw paws now that 
> > > the fruit stage has gone
> > > by (which I missed..) I am able to pick up 
> > > some of the dried up pods
> > > with seeds. Are they ok to eat?
> > >
> > > Paul K..southern Illinois
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:30:49 -0500
> From: "Robert Waldrop" <bwaldrop at cox.net>
> Subject: [permaculture] Reminder of Financial Permaculture event
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> Below is a reminder from the Solari Network of the Financial Permaculture event that starts tomorrow (Friday, Oct 24) and runs through next Tuesday.  If you aren't attending, you can follow the event through the various event blogs, linked below.
> 
> Bob Waldrop, www.bobwaldrop.net 
> Oklahoma Food Coop, www.oklahomafood.coop
> Barking Frogs Permaculture, www.barkingfrogspermaculture.org
> 
> ==============================================
> Transforming Our Financial System ... From the Bottom Up
> ==============================================
> 
> The central bankers of the world are planning to meet in Europe to
> redesign the financial system from the top down. From Friday, October
> 24 through Tuesday, October 28, a diverse group of permaculturists,
> entrepreneurs, community leaders, and investment strategists are
> gathering in Hohenwald, Tennessee, to transform the financial system
> from the bottom up, contributing to efforts that are spreading
> virally, creating liquidity and economic health.
> 
> =============================================
> Get the Details on the Financial Permaculture Conference
> =============================================
> 
> http://www.financialpermaculture.com
> http://solari.com/events/financial-permaculture/
> 
> For those of you who will not be joining us in person at the
> conference, we hope you will join us in the blogosphere -- by either
> posting at your blog, commenting at one of ours, referring our blog to
> your network (www.solari.com/blog/), or just enjoying the discussion.  See all http://www.financialpermaculture.org for daily updates and participation.
> 
> Here are some recent blog posts to inspire your participation:
> 
> Financial Permaculture in Hohenwald - Final Schedule
> http://solari.com/blog/?p=1738
> 
> Principles of Financial Permaculture
> http://solari.com/blog/?p=1730
> 
> Solari Circles - An Intro for Financial Permaculture Students
> http://solari.com/blog/?p=1718
> 
> Can Our Own Communities Serve as Financial Safe Havens in Troubled
> Times?
> http://solari.com/blog/?p=1706
> 
> Financial Permaculture - Meet the Finance Team
> http://solari.com/blog/?p=1674
> 
> Financial Permaculture - Meet the Food Coop Leaders
> http://solari.com/blog/?p=1717
> 
> We Welcome Your Help: Small Business Structures
> http://solari.com/blog/?p=1714
> 
> Financial Permaculture - Got a Comment?
> http://solari.com/blog/?p=1734
> 
> =====================================
> Join the Solari Prayer Team by Teleconference
> =====================================
> 
> I would also like to invite you to join our Solari Prayer Team by
> phone conference line for short periods of group prayer before and
> during the conference itself. We will focus on the goals of the
> conference and the many people who are attending in various
> capacities. The prayer will be led in the Christian tradition, and we
> always invite participants on our prayer calls to take part in a way
> that is true to their own religious or spiritual path and
> understanding.
> 
> Here are the details on how to join us:
> http://solari.com/blog/?p=1735
> 
> ==========================
> 2008: Live in San Francisco DVD
> ==========================
> 
> If you haven't had the opportunity yet, you can watch a video clip of
> our latest DVD, 2008: Live in San Francisco. This live presentation
> highlights material from the Solari Audio seminar: Positioning Your
> Assets for Growth in Uncertain Times.
> 
> Watch the video clip:
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> -- Catherine Austin Fitts
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