[permaculture] mis-sent
L. Santoyo Designs
santoyo at earthflow.com
Wed Oct 10 13:53:32 EDT 2007
Sean, Claudia et al -
I think that everyone is in agreement about wanting to preserve the
integrity of a Permaculture Design Certificate Course. (Of course -a
person that misses classes, design work, etc -wouldn't be eligible
for a certificate of completion -why would they?)
>>"Teachers in the region had their own agendas and their own courses
>>competing for students..."
>
>>"Did people skip days and still get a certificate? "
>
>>"...I see this as a flaw in the modular format."
These additional questions, comments and concerns -work to support
the need for continuing training, constant contact with a qualified
mentor and support the 2 year apprenticeship requirements that are
invaluable for maintaining the highest standards and in creating
highly experienced Instructors and Designers -everywhere.
As a small example: The first modular courses were taught over 15
years ago! -lot's of the issues raised now are the same issues that,
since these first courses, have been addressed and solved in many,
many creative ways... (finding that out, in advance, is what a Mentor
is for!)
I'm not against reinventing the wheel -but at least the wheel is a
good point of departure...
Larry Santoyo
http://www.earthflow.com/
>Yes, Sean. I am sorry for my negative tone. There are personal
>issues shaping this that I am passing through. Since I have your
>attention, however, can you tell me if attendance was taken at the
>course? Did people skip days and still get a certificate? I am a
>bit stumped on this point. I can offer make-ups, (which I presume
>the Inwood course did not) but this isn't really the same as being
>there.
>
>I see this as a flaw in the modular format.
>
>Again, I apologize for mistakenly sending to the list. In a way
>though, it is good and right that our feelings are out in the open.
>I think I mentioned the tears to Larry because permaculture does
>operate on a deep emotional level at times.
>
>It would be nice to offer a free class sometime. Perhaps we can talk
>about how to do that.
>Thanks for your constructive comments.
>
>Peace to you,
>Claudia
>
>
>On Oct 9, 2007, at 4:22 PM, Sean Maley wrote:
>
>> Just to be clear on the tears shed at the Inwood Nature Center in
>> Manhattan, ... they were tears of joy. It took over a year and a
>> half of planning, false starts, and much failure. Class locations
> > pulled out on us at the last moment.
>> Luckily we were able to saturate both PDC classes here in
>> Manhattan, despite the false start of not enough students for
>> competing classes last October.
>>
>> We offered a course for $300 (sliding scale) in Manhattan. The
>> class space was free; 200 acres of old growth and last salt marsh
>> in Manhattan. The location was not entirely friendly, though, as
>> key individuals no longer worked at the Nature Center by the time
>> the class began. The teachers, whom we were able to pay, stayed at
>> an organizer's apartment for these six weekends.
>>
>> The presentations shamed the presentations of the two week PDC I
>> attended. As far as we understand, this was the first PDC in
>> Manhattan.
>>
>> Even further, we have individuals out in NYC looking for places to
>> learn yet more. I have some meeting in Inwood that attended this
>> class. Others from the class have been meeting in Brooklyn.
>>
>> We should be applauding such heroic efforts. Thank you to Ethan
>> and to others for your involvement. We are sure to have other
>> classes for those who would like to be involved.
>>
>> It is our hopes to find a way of including students who earn
>> exploitative wages in proximity to Wall Street costs of living
>> (Bronx per capita income in 1999 was at the bottom of all counties
>> in NY state; gentrification has been altering the situation of late).
> >
>> in Oct 8, 2007, at 11:50 AM, Claudia Joseph wrote:
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