[permaculture] thorny edibles (seaberry)

Jerome Osentowski jerome at crmpi.org
Sat Mar 6 08:14:55 EST 2004


Rain,  I have two in my nursery, and hope to add them to my forest garden 
this spring.  I see in an old Bear Creek nursery catalog that they are also
nitrogen fixing.  Raintree nursery does sell sea berry.  The bear creek
catalog is a great resource for forest gardens.  I have only a few copies
left and plan to republish it to use in our workshops on forest gardening
and grafting.  We have a grafting and pruning workshop on 3 and 4 April. and
will have flyer up on the site this weekend.   Another great minor fruit is
a sweet hawthorn.  One of the best fruit i have ever tasted.  We will be
grafting 40 of the mother trees onto root stock this spring. I have two of
the seedling from this tree in my forest garden,but they have not furited
yet.   jerome
--
Jerome Osentowski, Director
Central Rocky Mountain Permaculture Institute
PO Box 631
Basalt, CO 81621   U.S.A.

Tel/fax (970) 927-4158    E mail: jerome at crmpi.org

For more information, please visit our web site at <<www.crmpi.org>>


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>From: Rain Tenaqiya <raincascadia at yahoo.com>
>To: permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org
>Subject: [permaculture] thorny edibles (seaberry)
>Date: Fri, Mar 5, 2004, 12:28 PM
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> Hi Jude,
>
> I believed all that I read about seaberry, including the fact that part of
> its range is in central Asia, and planted it all over a south-facing
> hillside in an area of northern California with very hot Summers, thinking
> it would do well there and help establish a food forest.  It turns out that
> the part of central Asia where seaberry grows is a lot cooler than
> California and my seaberries got fried.  They actually do very well in
> partial shade in California.  I would love to hear about other people's
> experience with seaberry in hot areas as overwatering could have also been
> part of the problem.
>
> Rain
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> 1. Thorny edibles (Jude Hobbs)
> 2. permaculture in Peru and elsewhere (Naomi & Rick Coleman)
> 3. [Fwd: Alternative greenhouse crops] (Richard Morris)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 15:57:39 -0800
> From: Jude Hobbs
> Subject: [permaculture] Thorny edibles
> To: permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org
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> Hello Antonio,
> Have you heard of Hippophae rhamnoides- Sea Buckthorn?
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> Here is some of what Plants for a Future says:
> (http://www.scs.leeds.ac.uk/pfaf/index.html)
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> Physical Characteristics
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> A decidious shrub growing to 6m by 2.5m at a medium rate. It is hardy
> to zone 3 and is not frost tender. It is in flower in April, and the
> seeds ripen from September to October. The flowers are dioecious
> (individual flowers are either male or female, but only one sex is to
> be found on any one plant so both male and female plants must be grown
> if seed is required) and are pollinated by Wind. The plant not is
> self-fertile. It can fix Nitrogen. We rate it 5 out of 5 for
> usefulness. Very thorny branches.
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> The plant prefers light (sandy), medium (loamy) and heavy (clay) soils
> and can grow in nutritionally poor soil. The plant prefers acid,
> neutral and basic (alkaline) soils. It cannot grow in the shade. It
> requires dry moist or wet soil and can tolerate drought. The plant can
> tolerate maritime exposure.
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> Sea buckthorn has an extensive root system and suckers vigorously and
> so has been used in soil conservation schemes, especially on sandy
> soils. The fibrous and suckering root system acts to bind the sand[186,
> 244].
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> Because the plant grows quickly, even in very exposed conditions, and
> also adds nitrogen to the soil, it can be used as a pioneer species to
> help the re-establishment of woodland in difficult areas. Because the
> plant is very light-demanding it will eventually be out-competed by the
> woodland trees and so will not out-stay its welcome[K].
>
>
> This species has a symbiotic relationship with certain soil bacteria,
> these bacteria form nodules on the roots and fix atmospheric nitrogen.
> Some of this nitrogen is utilized by the growing plant but some can
> also be used by other plants growing nearby[113, 186, 200]. Plants
> produce abundant suckers, especially when grown on sandy soils[186
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> Edible Uses
> Fruit.
>
> Fruit - raw or cooked. Very rich in vitamin C (120mg per 100g)[74] and
> vitamin A[183], they are too acid when raw for most peoples tastes[11,
> 158], though most children seem to relish them[K]. Used for making
> fruit juice, it is high in vitamins and has an attractive aroma[141].
> It is being increasingly used in making fruit juices, especially when
> mixed with other fruits, because of its reputed health benefits[214].
> Medicinal Uses
> Wood - tough, hard, very durable, fine-grained. Used for fine
> carpentry, turning etc[46, 61, 74]. The wood is also used for fuel and
> charcoal[146].
>
> Disclaimer
> Astringent; Cancer; Cardiac; Poultice; Tonic; Vermifuge.
> The twigs and leaves contain 4 - 5% tannin[240]. They are astringent
> and vermifuge[7, 100].
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> Propagation
> Seed - sow spring in a sunny position in a cold frame[78]. Germination
> is usually quick and good although 3 months cold stratification may
> improve the germination rate. Alternatively the seed can be sown in a
> cold frame as soon as it is ripe in the autumn. Prick out the seedlings
> into individual pots when they are large enough to handle and grow on
> in a greenhouse for their first winter. Plant out in late spring into
> their permanent positions. Male seedlings, in spring, have very
> prominent axillary buds whilst females are clear and smooth at this
> time[78].
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> Cuttings of half-ripe wood, June/July in a frame[200]. Difficult[113].
> This is the easiest method of vegetative propagation[214].
>
> Cuttings of mature wood in autumn[200]. Difficult[113]. The cuttings
> should be taken at the end of autumn or very early in the spring before
> the buds burst. Store them in sand and peat until April, cut into 7 -
> 9cm lengths and plant them in a plastic tent with bottom heat[214].
> Rooting should take place within 2 months and they can be put in their
> permanent positions in the autumn[214].
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> Division of suckers in the winter. They can be planted out direct into
> their permanent positions and usually establish well and quickly[K].
>
> Layering in autumn[200].
>
>
> God Luck,
> Jude
>
>
> Agro-Ecology Northwest
> Cascadia Landscape Design
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> www.cascadiapermaculture.com
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 20:27:45 +1100
> From: "Naomi & Rick Coleman"
> Subject: [permaculture] permaculture in Peru and elsewhere
> To:
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> Hi everyone, we have had a number of requests by email lately from people
> wanting to volunteer on permaculture projects, particularly in Peru, but
> also other places. Peru seems to feature because Rick has worked there and
> its on our website, but we cant give details of that project because of our
> contract.
>
> Firstly, are there any projects in Peru that would take volunteers? I can
> forward the request emails on, but I don't know the people at all so wasnt
> sure whether I should do that. They usually dont give a lot of background
> information... I personally think that a volunteer needs to have at least a
> PDC or they are using up valuable resources rather than contributing to a
project.
>
> Is there a current list anywhere that details projects... I know this has
> been discussed on this list and the oceania one, but dont know how far that
> has got.
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> Looking forward to people's thoughts on this...
> Naomi
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 11:35:51 +0000
> From: Richard Morris
> Subject: [permaculture] [Fwd: Alternative greenhouse crops]
> To: PC USA
> , PCUK
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> , veganorganic at yahoogroups.com,
> "pfaf at yahoogroups.com"
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> Hi all,
> I received this questionaire on alternative
> greenhouse crops and I guess someone out there might
> have some useful feed back for Gary.
> If you do fill in please tell him I sent you.
>
> ttfn
>
> Rich
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Alternative greenhouse crops
> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 09:12:42 -0800
> From: Gary Jones
> To: webmaster at pfaf.org
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> Dear Colleague,
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> I am a Horticulture Instructor at Kwantlen University College, near
> Vancouver, BC. I am currently on educational leave and am undertaking an
> investigation into 'alternative greenhouse edible crops'. I have come
> across your name during a web survey of this topic.
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> During the next week or so, I will be sending to you a short
> questionnaire, in the form of an attached 'Word' document. I would like
> very much if you could spare the 35 minutes it would take to complete
> it, and return it to me. Your input will be very helpful.
> (text version below).
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> Should you have any questions, please write to me at this e-mail
> address, or at my home e-mail (_jones6 at shaw.ca_), or call me at home on
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> Best wishes,
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> Gary Jones, M.Sc., MIoH.
> Horticulture Instructor (Production Dept.),
> School of Horticulture,
> Kwantlen University College,
> 12666 - 72nd Avenue,
> Surrey, BC
> Canada V3W 2M8
> Tel (001) 604 599 3311
> Fax (001) 604 599 3277
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