[permaculture] Contradictions in Language

Paul Kosuth prkosuth at ll.net
Sat Jul 19 20:39:35 EDT 2003


Rob,

I think I see where you are coming from now. Thanks for the clarity.

Paul

robscott at sdf.lonestar.org wrote:

>Paul,
>
>The point is that they are in contradiction.
>Democracy plus Capitalism equals contradiction, that's what I'm saying.
>
>The contradiction diction:
>when the language speaks contradictions without the speakers' consent.
>The language enlists its speakers as apologists : they describe the
>contradiction as an error, a mere conflict, a glitch in the system...
>oops, capitalism and democracy are tough to reconcile, sorry about that...
>
>Contradictions are not a mistake. Contradictions are part of the program.
>They're an intention. To deny a contradiction is to play into its power.
>
>Rob
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>>>Rob Scott wrote:
>>>
>>>I use the term "democracy" to refer to a social system in which the
>>>participants as a whole determine how the system operates.
>>>I use the term "capitalism" to refer to an economic system in which the
>>>owners of capital determine how the system operates.
>>>
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>>Paul Kosuth wrote:
>>
>>isn't capitalism the economic system with an emphasis on creating
>>surplus value and when this surplus value is sold the benefits go to the
>>"owners" of the operation rather than the producers of the value (the
>>workers.) I strongly agree that capitalism is an economic system but not
>>with your specific definition. Rather than a linking of democracy and
>>capitalism I see both as being very separate. Democracy is a method of
>>choice, capitalism is one of the choices. Which, to me, make life in
>>good ol' USA so frustrating when our "leaders" equate democracy and
>>capitalism. I keep hoping to vote in communism but I'm not holding my
>>breath.
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