Please unsubscribe Michael Lachance from the permaculture list. I do not know if he is under the ex125 at mail.vt.edu address or as mlachance at vt.edu or mlachance.vtvm1. Thanks, Joan Anderson Virginia Cooperative Extension Nelson County Office PO Box 298 Lovingston, VA 22949 (804) 263-4035 fax: (804) 263-4367