pyg at galatea.org
Thu Sep 16 11:30:54 EDT 2004
Stephanie Gerson writes:
> hi everyone,
> Quite a discussion about listservs. A few points/questions:
> ,A`(B Fine with me if the pcplantdb list is not open.
> ,A`(B Although it is not open, as Lawrence asked, would we like the archives to
> be public?
> ,A`(B Thank you to Lee for your critical question asking what it is that we would
> need help with, and to Chad for responding. I agree with Rich that we ought
> to have a mechanism allowing people to help in this regard. What if we had a
> page of the permaculture.info website dedicated to this, on which we (er,
> Chad, Rich, and Johns) post technical questions we have to solicit responses.
> (Is this what you meant by $B!H(Bformal feature requests page,$B!I(B Rich?)
I think a 'how to help' page is a good thing regardless. As I've said
before, I'm not feeling very motivated to write stuff, but I will
gladly help with or publish anything if somebody will write the text.
Not really sure how to solicit info from lots of people about
technical questions, or even if we want to do that. I'm actually very
pleased with how things have went in this regards with the group on
this list. Lots of really sharp PC folks on this team and I don't
feel like we are leaving any holes. There is also the possibility of
overwhelm/overload with a larger group.
I think feature requests are part of the bug tracking system and
accessible to anyone we allow to submit bug reports which I think is
> ,A`(B Lawrence, you are confusing and overwhelming me. I thought that the
> pcinfo list WAS the public list for PIW (the non-techie complement to the
> pcplantdb list). Am I incorrect? If so, what is pcinfo for? To respond more
> specifically to what you wrote:
> $B!H(BThis will stand as is. It will serve a supportive role for PIW by helping
> people develop and promote their information resources and make them
> Web-ready. It is for PIW people and others working on similar projects,
> especially those wanting to be part of an Open Permaculture Project
> So then why are you making a piw list? Isn,F"(Bt the pcinfo list the same as
> what the piw list would be?
> $B!I(BThese lists: permaculture, pc-knowledgebase, permacultureinfo and
> openpermaculture will all be linked to their own webspace and wikispace. I
> hope that having resources in these locations will make them more accessable
> to the PIW DB, launch-ready for inclusion in the DB using a variety of
> Is this overwhelming to anyone but me? Can we please work with fewer lists
> with more distinct identities than more lists with less distinct identities?
> $B!H(BWhen you are ready to go public with an announcement of PIW,$B!I(B
> You already went public without consulting the group.
> $B!H(B At that time I will create a new list for this purpose: piw,
> piw at lists.ibiblio.org. piw is a much better name for our public forum than
> permacultureinfo (which partly reflects our domain name only). The
> permacultureinfo list is needed for discussion about permaculture information
> management and will be used by others besides PIW, same with openpermaculture
> and pc-knowledgebase. pcplantdb@ and piw@ will be the PIW lists and more can
> be added if needed.$B!I(B
> Once again, I thought we agreed that pcinfo was dedicated *specifically* to
> the PIW, and was the non-techie list for it.
This is my understanding.
> Since when did we want a list about $B!H(Bpermaculture information
> management,$B!I(B and if the list is going to be this general, why
> should it even exist? Please clarify what your intentions are for
> a pcinfo list that is DIFFERENT from a piw list and the
> already-existing permaculture lists, and any other already-existing
> permaculture-related list, for that matter.
> ,A`(B Lee wrote, $B!H(Bmaybe we could simply solicit ideas from potential users
> about what they'd like to see from the project, on the existing public permie
> lists? And then leave the ultimate design process, decision making, and of
> course actual programming up to a very small group on this list?$B!I(B
> Thank you Lee, this was exactly our intention. Stephanie,F"(Bs wish list:
> 1. one listserv for logistics and technical details of PIW (not open to public
> subscription) $(G!9(B pcplantdb
> 2. one listserv for more general and design-related aspects of PIW (open to
> public subscription) $(G!9(B pcinfo (and if pcinfo is not this, then we need
> something else)
> 3. one PIW website $(G!9(B www.permaculture.info
> ,A`(B I,F"(Bm thinking that perhaps I should write up a one-pager of this project
> $(G!9(B longer than the listserv statement, shorter than grant proposal
> descriptions, and MUCH shorter than the vision I sent out a while ago. We
> could post this on the permaculture.info website (this IS the website for piw
> $(G!9(B is it not? Or is Lawrence going to tell me that it is a website for
> $B!H(Bpermaculture information management$B!I(B now? Sorry, I,F"(Bm being a brat) and
> offer it to people who would a bit more than a brief 2-sentence description of
> the wondrous hg$B!D(B
Yes, yes, yes. This should replace the one paragraph I wrote on the
front page. I had hoped my brevity would inspire such a move. I also
think we should move the who's involved info to a different page
(something like a credits page) or have it go away completely for now.
perl -e 'print pack"H*","7079674067616c617465612e6f72670a"'
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