[pcdb] [Fwd: Re: [permaculture] database, wiki, blogs, forums, etc]
Lawrence F. London, Jr.
lfl at intrex.net
Tue Dec 19 23:27:30 EST 2006
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Subject: Re: [permaculture] database, wiki, blogs, forums, etc
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 00:26:13 -0500
From: Lawrence F. London, Jr. <lfl at intrex.net>
Reply-To: permaculture <permaculture at lists.ibiblio.org>
> LL wrote:
>>At one time there was interest in this list in creating an online
>>permaculture relational database,
>>showing relationships between elements in a permaculture system. I had
>>hoped that this would become a global project
>>that would offer the opportunity for people to enter data from their
>>own bioregion for the benefit of others in that
>>part of the world and those elsewhere interested in learning from their
> If you're still interested in creating a database, I like the clarity a relational database brings to complex systems.
That is what I keep hearing, an RDb is the best way to go. Others suggest merging a Rdb with wiki software, i.e. MediaWiki.
> If you have a server with mysql, apache, and php to which you are willing to give me ssl and ftp access, I can guarantee one day a month to:
> designing the database layout,
> creating the database;
> creating tables, indexes, constraints;
> and writing simple php pages (non object oriented coding) to both access and enter data.
I do have access to all of the above and thanks. I will have to point you to them so they can set up your account and
the accounts for the database.
Also needed is a website and possibly a blog; Wordpress is a good choice.
> While I'm aware that one day a month isn't much, it's what you can be assured of from me ....and I'd be in it for the long haul.
This is very generous of you. I have been interested in this since the idea of having a PC database for online users
came up in this list many years ago.
> I'd need a much clearer idea of how you envisioned the database
A database allowing queries of data about elements in a permaculture system and reveal relationships between these
elements. It could be used as a discovery tool to find new guilds and useful, compatible components of a system.
> and I'd need an expert in each field of study to point out the key data point to collect from people:
List members or anyone else interested are welcome to volunteer to be in a group knowledgable in a particular field or
offer their expertise individually. Farming, landscaping, terramechanics, alternative architecture and construction are
my main areas of expertise.
> -say for a wind turbine generator installation:
> windProject table:
> ( rowID, projectID,projectName, longitude, latitude, windZone, expectedDaysUseableWind,towerHeight,towerMaterialConstruction,testedVAOutputAvg)
> windMeasurement table: (rowID,projectID,dateMeasured,measuringTowerHeight,timeMeasured,avgWindSpeed )
> windTurbine table:
> (rowID,projectID,turbineType,turbineMake,turbineModel,minWindSpeed,minOutput,maxWindSpeed, maxOutput,turbineWeight,turbineDimensions,turbinePropDimensions)
> whatcha think?
Looks wonderful; I will put you in touch with the server staff so we can get going.
A name for this project.
Do we want a .org, .net or .info domain and have that hosted instead of using the server's name?
I'll donate a domain for 3 years if that's the direction we want to take.
Some sort of peer review process to filter data entered; or a ranking system to evaluate data quality and usefullness
A registration or user authentication component as we will not want anonymous data entry
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