[pbs] pbs Digest, Vol 61, Issue 12
Milton Edwards
milton at boldscape.com.au
Mon Feb 18 14:29:53 EST 2008
Hi, can I please have an email address for Dylan Hannon Rare Bulbs
Regards
Milton
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> 1. Tripladenia (lucgbulot at aol.com)
> 2. Re: Tripladenia (Arnold Trachtenberg)
> 3. Re: Tripladenia (Jim McKenney)
> 4. Re: Sprekelia howardii (Douglas Westfall)
> 5. Questions concerning Sprekelia howardii (Douglas Westfall)
> 6. Re: Sprekelia howardii (Tim Harvey)
> 7. Re: Tripladenia (Hannon)
> 8. Re: A polar View (M Ashley-Cooper)
> 9. Re: Sprekelia (M Ashley-Cooper)
> 10. S howardii SNA (B.J.M. Zonneveld)
> 11. Re: S howardii SNA (Douglas Westfall)
> 12. bounces (piaba)
> 13. Change my e-mail address (Roy Sachs)
> 14. Re: bounces (Kenneth Hixson)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 16:52:00 -0500
> From: lucgbulot at aol.com
> Subject: [pbs] Tripladenia
> To: pbs at lists.ibiblio.org
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> Hi all,
>
> Many thanks to all who contributed to answer my former questions... Here is another one...
>
> Loooking at the APG 2 web pages today to see the updates to the phylogenetic classification of Liliales, I noticed among the Colchicaceae the genus Triplandenia. None of the database I usualy use seems to know that genus (mobot.org, ipni.org).
>
> Anybody as a clue about whoe are the author(s) of the genus and its content ?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Luc
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:12:55 -0500
> From: Arnold Trachtenberg <arnold at nj.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Tripladenia
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs at lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Luc:
>
> From Kubitzki " The Families and Genera of Vascular", Vol. III
> Flowering Plants Monocotyledons
>
> Tripladenia D. Don, Proc. Linn. Soc. Lond. 1: 46 (1839); Clifford and
> Conran, Fl. Australia 45; 416 (1987)
>
> "Erect herb with a knotty scaly rhizome. Leaves distichous,
> ovate-lanceolate, with half clasping cordate base.
> Flowers pedicellate, solitary or few together in axillary pedunculate
> cymes. Perianth pink or mauve; tepals discrete, basally with stalked
> nectariferous glands. Anthers extrorse. Style simple below, 3 branched
> above. Capsule loculicidal, pyriform-rounded, somewhat fleshy; seeds
> globose, strophiolate. 2n = 14. Only one species T. cunninghamii D.
> Don, confined to rain forest and wet sclerophyll forest of eastern
> Australia. ( Previously often confused with Schelhammera multiflora, q.v.)
>
> Arnold
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:16:05 -0500
> From: "Jim McKenney" <jimmckenney at jimmckenney.com>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Tripladenia
> To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <000b01c871b2$b1547a00$2f01a8c0 at Library>
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> A quick Google search shows that it is a monotypic genus from Australia,
> placed variously in the Convallariaceae, Colchicaceae, or Uvulariaceae. The
> one species is T. cunninghamii. One local name is bush lily. One map I saw
> seemed to show a widely disjunct distribution: one population in far
> northern Australia and another larger area of distribution in eastern
> Australia. There are images on the web - just Google a bit.
>
> When you search, check your spelling. In your subject line you used
> Tripladenia, in the body of your message you used Triplandenia. Tripladenia
> is in ipni.
>
>
> Jim McKenney
> jimmckenney at jimmckenney.com
> Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7, where the first winter
> aconites have finally opened.
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:24:34 -0800
> From: Douglas Westfall <eagle85 at flash.net>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Sprekelia howardii
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs at lists.ibiblio.org>
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> "Thanks Doug,
> I've done the same thing myself, but in the case where some
> characteristics are strongly dominant, I'm keen to try and find a way
> to determine that the plants really did self.
>
> I guess karyotyping would be one option."
>
> I guess that we must await some "scientific research and/or the
> maturity of our seedlings.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:52:02 -0800
> From: Douglas Westfall <eagle85 at flash.net>
> Subject: [pbs] Questions concerning Sprekelia howardii
> To: IBSMEMBERS at yahoogroups.com, Pacific Bulb Society
> <pbs at lists.ibiblio.org>
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> With the comments being a little "lopsided" in favor of those who
> question the process of microwaving pollen to encourage bulbs which
> tend to be "self sterile", I am reminded of another "discussion"
> several years ago when I was questioned about a miniature Scadoxus
> puniceus in my collection. I was told that there is no such Scadoxus
> in the literature and thus, I must be "wrong" or mistaken.
>
> Well, I now have three clones of the "miniature" Scadoxus, and Dr
> Koopowitz has two clones. I was never "shaken" by the "nay-sayers",
> and now I know that I was/am right.
>
> There were those who questioned my Scadoxus puniceus alba. Now there
> are those out there who have them.
>
> I also have a variegated Veltheimia bracteata lemon flame. I have been
> admonished that it is just "badly virused". It is now eight years in
> my garden with NO virus spread, many seedlings all variegated with NO
> throwbacks, and it is just a beautiful as ever.
>
> In a year or two, I hope to have another "new" bulb that will be
> questioned. Well, seeing is believing. The Creator's variety of types
> and forms is beyond my comprehension!!!
>
> Not "doubting" Doug
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 15:10:50 -0800
> From: Tim Harvey <zigur at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Sprekelia howardii
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs at lists.ibiblio.org>
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>
> It may take longer than that.
>
> Apparently some species of Aloe (not a bulb, sorry!) are so dominant in hybrids it is not possible to tell plants are actually hybrids by visual inspection of form or flowers.
>
> When said plants are crossed within the F1 group, the subsequent variation in the progeny indicates the parents were themselves hybrids.
>
> T> From: eagle85 at flash.net> To: pbs at lists.ibiblio.org> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:24:34 -0800> Subject: Re: [pbs] Sprekelia howardii> > "Thanks Doug,> I've done the same thing myself, but in the case where some > characteristics are strongly dominant, I'm keen to try and find a way > to determine that the plants really did self.> > I guess karyotyping would be one option."> > I guess that we must await some "scientific research and/or the > maturity of our seedlings.> _______________________________________________> pbs mailing list> pbs at lists.ibiblio.org> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/pbs> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:04:13 -0800
> From: Hannon <othonna at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Tripladenia
> To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs at lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Luc,
> I have found this to be a somewhat recalcitrant species in that it is slow
> and never demonstrates real vigor. I grow two different clones. Have not
> tried it outdoors yet but am growing it as a warm tropical subject in plenty
> of shade. I can't recall having flowered it. Outdoor cultivation (Los
> Angeles) might prove helpful.
>
> A better plant in my experience, also in the Convallariaceae, that comes
> from the same part of the world and recalls Tripladenia in overall aspect is
> Schelhammera multiflora. It produces starry white flowers on a bushy plant
> that has more vigor and is also rather slow. The new leaves are
> bronze-tinted. Unfortunately I lost it some years ago.
>
> I would exhort all members to keep an eye out for other plants in this
> family that remain obscure but are very worthy of cultivation, such as
> species of Tupistra, Gonioscypha and Peliosanthes. They are really not
> geophytes but evergreen perennials.
>
> Dylan
>
> On Feb 17, 2008 1:52 PM, <lucgbulot at aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Many thanks to all who contributed to answer my former questions... Here
> > is another one...
> >
> > Loooking at the APG 2 web pages today to see the updates to the
> > phylogenetic classification of Liliales, I noticed among the Colchicaceae
> > the genus Triplandenia. None of the database I usualy use seems to know that
> > genus (mobot.org, ipni.org).
> >
> > Anybody as a clue about whoe are the author(s) of the genus and its
> > content ?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Luc
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 09:41:06 -0500
> From: "M Ashley-Cooper" <m.ashley.cooper at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] A polar View
> To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <002001c870a9$fa2e4760$1266cb47 at mykecbcb148b69>
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> As an ex-Capetonian, the thought of living further north than Florida fills me with horror as I could never grow any of my favorite bulbs or vines! It's been bad enough having ice on 2 mornings here in Tallahassee since we arrived in November!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Ryle
> To: Pacific Bulb Society
> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 8:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [pbs] A polar View
>
>
> Greetings all,
> With all due respect, anyone living in Maryland should only utter the word "Polar" in no more than a sibilant whisper.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:05:11 -0500
> From: "M Ashley-Cooper" <m.ashley.cooper at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Sprekelia
> To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <011201c87101$41714f30$1266cb47 at mykecbcb148b69>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Website?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Hannon
> To: Pacific Bulb Society
> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 7:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Sprekelia
>
>
> I have listed this species in my 2008 summer bulb list. They are sturdy
> seedlings several years old. Requests for this list are welcome (US orders
> only), please send a private request to me at othonna<at>gmail<dot>com. Also
> on this list are rare species of Dandya, Hymenocallis, Rauhia and
> Stenomesson, most with locality information. A winter grower list is also
> available but these will not be shipped until June of this year.
> I find S. howardii easy to grow here outdoors in Los Angeles so long as it
> is kept out of winter rains. It starts growth in early summer and finishes
> in late fall so do not expect spring activity-- as with geophytes from the
> monsoon climate areas of Mexico generally. Its hysteranthous habit (flowers
> appearing above bare soil before the leaves) is very appealing and the
> flowers are large compared to the plant overall and blood red. Bulbs are
> more like Rhodophiala or Zephyranthes in being subterranean with a long
> neck; foliage is also distinct from S. formosissima in being uniformly
> narrower, darker and with some red tinting. S. howardii grows in hot dry
> canyons at lower elevations than S. formosissima.
>
> It is a fine species, recognized decades ago by Thad as distinctive, and I
> am pleased to be able to offer it.
>
> Dylan
> Dylan Hannon Rare Bulbs
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:19:17 +0100
> From: "B.J.M. Zonneveld" <B.J.M.Zonneveld at biology.leidenuniv.nl>
> Subject: [pbs] S howardii SNA
> To: <pbs at lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Hi Doug
> There is a difference in nuclear DNA content between S howardii
> (diploid, as tested from J Shields plant) and S formossisima (tetraploid
> and hexaploid) So just send me a fresh leaf of both the parent and the
> seedling and I will tell you wether or not you seedlings are true or
> hybrids
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:41:55 -0800
> From: Douglas Westfall <eagle85 at flash.net>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] S howardii SNA
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <4F20051F-3470-43E0-A4B5-C954AE71D624 at flash.net>
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> Dr. Zonneveld,
>
> What a generous offer! Please send your mailing address, and I'll
> send it right away.
>
> With kind regards,
>
> Doug
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 10:04:10 -0800 (PST)
> From: piaba <piabinha at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pbs] bounces
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> hmmm... i don't know what to do. why am i getting
> bounced from this list regularly? i'm not the one
> writing about naked ladies!!!!
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> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:12:04 -0800
> From: Kenneth Hixson <khixson at nu-world.com>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] bounces
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs at lists.ibiblio.org>
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> piaba wrote:
> > hmmm... i don't know what to do. why am i getting
> > bounced from this list regularly? i'm not the one
> > writing about naked ladies!!!!
>
> "Bouncing" isn't anything to do with censorship--
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> Ken
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