[pbs] pbs Digest, Vol 61, Issue 4
EA Fichtl
quasimodo7 at verizon.net
Wed Feb 6 16:17:09 EST 2008
Somewhat off topic, but relevant to those of us who glean part of our income
from our toils and tears.
A new opportunity to find and market plant material is in it's infant stage
and needs input from horticulturists
across the country.
This is a serious discussion of the gardening community coming together to
pool resources, discuss individual needs
and offer suggestions regarding how all of it may be accomplished.
Please take a moment to kick the tires and leave an opinion.
Thank you.
Elizabeth
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/f/auction/all
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> 1. Re: Peruvian Daffodils/Ismene/Hymenocallis (C.J. Teevan)
> 2. Addendum to Pacific BX 164 (Dell Sherk)
> 3. Re: Pacific BX 164 (Alberto Castillo)
> 4. Re: Peruvian Daffodils/Ismene/Hymenocallis (J.E. Shields)
> 5. Arum palaestinum infrared image (Arnold Trachtenberg)
> 6. Re: Arum palaestinum infrared image (Douglas Westfall)
> 7. Re: Arum palaestinum infrared image (Arnold Trachtenberg)
> 8. Dahlia imperialis (lauw de Jager)
> 9. Re: Dahlia imperialis (Kenneth Hixson)
> 10. seed germination (piaba)
> 11. Imports to USA from Scotland and other parts of the EU
> (Iain Brodie of Falsyde)
> 12. Re: seed germination (Alberto Castillo)
> 13. Re: Imports to USA from Scotland and other parts of the EU
> (Lee Poulsen)
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 20:11:14 -0800 (PST)
> From: "C.J. Teevan" <gardenstreet184 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Peruvian Daffodils/Ismene/Hymenocallis
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <955413.57557.qm at web36404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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> Another gardener asked me last week if I had ever seen any Peruvian
> Daffodils (Hymenocallis) sold or grown in any colors other than White or
> Yellow. Simply because he asked, I thought maybe he knew something I
> didn't... .so I went to one of my favorite bulb suppliers and asked the
> same question; they haven't seen anything in say Pink or Red. Before I
> sign off on this, possibly someone would please confirm that this is the
> right answer? Because if this group hasn't grown or studied it, it
> probably does not exist.
>
> Catherine T., New York
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 07:11:44 -0500
> From: "Dell Sherk" <dells at voicenet.com>
> Subject: [pbs] Addendum to Pacific BX 164
> To: "'Adam Fikso'" <adam14113 at ameritech.net>, "'c'"
> <CathyCraigEA at hotmail.com>, <DavBouch5 at aol.com>, "'Macfarlane'"
> <macfarla at almaden.ibm.com>, "'Mark'" <Antennaria at aol.com>, "'Mark
> Wilcox'" <marque219 at yahoo.com>, "Pat Colville"
> <Pat.Colville at JHResearchUSA.com>, "PBS list" <pbs at lists.ibiblio.org>,
> "The Masterson Family" <masterson4 at cox.net>
> Message-ID: <20080205121159.3283D4C01D at lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Please add the following to the list of offerings to BX 164:
>
>
>
>>From Alberto Castillo:
>
>
>
> 21. Fresh seed of Zephyranthes primulina.
>
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Dell
>
>
>
> Dell Sherk, Director, PBS BX
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 13:20:49 +0000
> From: Alberto Castillo <ezeizabotgard at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Pacific BX 164
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <BLU104-W481F37D8B77AFCAC5B6E20AE2C0 at phx.gbl>
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>
>
> Dear all:
>
> Perhaps it woud be of interest to add a few comments to this
> material sent for the BX.
> Seed is all fresh, some just harvested
>> 3. Gladiolus sp. probably segetum, very hardy Eurasian (W), from wild
>> collected plants> > 4. Gladiolus illyricus from wild parent plants, very
>> hardy (W), from wild collectd plants> > 5. Gladiolus communis ssp.
>> Byzantinus, very hardy (W), from wild collected plants
>> > 6. Iris xiphium ssp. Lusitanicum, dainly golden yellow wild form, (W)
>> > from wild plants> > 7. Gelasine elongata (azurea), warm grower (W), the
>> > region is citrus country> > 8. Herbertia caerulea (W), the form from
>> > Texas, quite hardy, received as "Alophia drummondii"> > 9. Cypella
>> > coelestis (W), from wild collected plants, sugarcane country> > 10.
>> > Cooperia smallii (W), from wild collected plants> > 11. Habranthus
>> > martinezi (W), several different forms, some pink. Very floriforus in
>> > flushes. An easy species, very lng lived and adaptable.
>> > 12. Aristolochia fimbriata (S), this is a tuberous nativa Aristolochia,
>> > very attractive round reniform leaves, some plants have plain green
>> > leaves, others with broad silver veining, rivalling the best Asarums.
>> > Sow individually and pot on as they grow as tubers are pretty fragile.
>> > This is not a climber but a short trailing plant. In the wild zones
>> > 9-10 but could be hardier. Semishade, shade or full sun for part of the
>> > day.
>> > 13. Tropaeolum pentaphyllum, (W) there is a comprehensive introduction
>> > at the PBS wiki, details there. Sow upon receipt, seeds must be dry
>> > off.> > 14. Ranunculus macranthus (W), a spectacular species form
>> > Texas. Like a half sized yellow garden Ranunculus, if faded flowers are
>> > removed, blooming season is two whole months or more. Sow seeds without
>> > delay. Fresh seeds. Seeds stored for some time did not germinate. > >
>> > 15. Leucojum autumnale var. oporanthum, true from the wild (W), from
>> > wild collected plants. > > 16. Canna, dwarf sp., (S) a dwarf (60 cm.
>> > tall) species received from a Botanic Garden as "C. tuerckheimii",
>> > which is obviously inst't. Fresh seed. > > 17. Arum euxinum, (W), this
>> > was received from Kew years ago. I had my doubts as it looks like
>> > hygrophilum a lot but an aroid specialis saw it las Deember and said it
>> > is the true euxinum, off it goes, enjoy. Just harvested. > > 18.
>> > Bulblets of Allium canadense, very good form (W) selected from wild
>> > plants in Texas. The
> se are the bulblets that are produced in the umbels along with normal
> flowers. > > 19. Small tubers of Dioscorea sp., winter dormant (S), a
> lovely dwarf climber that could be quite hardy, with cordate lance shaped
> leaves that turn orange in autumn.
> Zephyranthes primulina, (S), one of the best of all. Here it flowers non
> stop for three months or more in full sun and big containers. Just
> harvested. This is one of the few species bullet proof and to start with.
>
>
>
> With best wishes
> _________________________________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 08:54:56 -0500
> From: "J.E. Shields" <jshields at indy.net>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Peruvian Daffodils/Ismene/Hymenocallis
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20080205085243.0282d480 at pop.indy.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> Hi all,
>
> Hymenocallis and Ismene flowers come only in white and yellow, although a
> few have a lot of green in the tepals (petals + sepals).
>
> Jim Shields
> in central Indiana (USA)
>
>
> At 08:11 PM 2/4/2008 -0800, you wrote:
>>Another gardener asked me last week if I had ever seen any Peruvian
>>Daffodils (Hymenocallis) sold or grown in any colors other than White or
>>Yellow. Simply because he asked, I thought maybe he knew something I
>>didn't... .so I went to one of my favorite bulb suppliers and asked the
>>same question; they haven't seen anything in say Pink or Red. Before I
>>sign off on this, possibly someone would please confirm that this is the
>>right answer? Because if this group hasn't grown or studied it, it
>>probably does not exist.
>>
>> Catherine T., New York
>
> *************************************************
> Jim Shields USDA Zone 5 Shields Gardens, Ltd.
> P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://www.shieldsgardens.com/
> Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA
> Tel. ++1-317-867-3344 or toll-free 1-866-449-3344 in USA
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 20:12:10 -0500
> From: Arnold Trachtenberg <arnold at nj.rr.com>
> Subject: [pbs] Arum palaestinum infrared image
> To: pbs at lists.ibiblio.org
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> I have added and infrared image of Arum palaestinum taken during my
> home energy audit. The auditor was kind enough to amuse me and take an
> image. As you can see the spathe is hotter than the surrounding area
> presumably to attract pollinators such as flies.
>
> Arnold
>
> http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/Arum/Arum_palaestinum_IR_77.jpg
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:53:00 -0800
> From: Douglas Westfall <eagle85 at flash.net>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Arum palaestinum infrared image
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <2E85D120-8FD3-4237-A8C6-486970477D38 at flash.net>
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> Arnold,
>
> That is extremely interesting. Mine are growing very well right now,
> but it is so cold here in So. CA that I don't expect a bloom for some
> time.
>
> Doug Westfall
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:35:06 -0500
> From: Arnold Trachtenberg <arnold at nj.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Arum palaestinum infrared image
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <47A91CDA.6050801 at nj.rr.com>
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> Doug:
>
> I remember seeing a video hook up from one of the Botanical gardens in
> the states and in addition to the video feed there was a infrared feed
> showing the temperature of the emerging spathe of an Amorphophallus
> titanum. They were able to predict the flowering time based on the
> temperature rise of the spathe.
>
> Arnold
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:35:53 +0100
> From: lauw de Jager <dejager at bulbargence.com>
> Subject: [pbs] Dahlia imperialis
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <C3CF3E09.961%dejager at bulbargence.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>
> Dear all,
> I recently read a french article on the tree dahlia, which states that D
> imperialis and D arborescens are two sep?rate species (I allways assumed
> that they are synonymous). The article states :
> D arborea (syn D excelsia): 4-6 m high (15-20ft) colour "pale purple"
> D. imperialis: 2-3 high colour very pale, with pink towards the center.
>
> Can anyone confirm whether this statement is correct. I cannot find any
> useful reference with Google on this species
> (The species I have here is 4-6 m high with pale pink flowers.)
>
> Look forward to any opinion on the matter
> Greetings
>
> -- Lauw de Jager
> Bulb'Argence
> South of France (zone 9 (olive trees)
> emailto: dejager at bulbargence.com
> Site www.bulbargence.com
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:52:18 -0800
> From: Kenneth Hixson <khixson at nu-world.com>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Dahlia imperialis
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <47AA01E2.90509 at nu-world.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
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> lauw
>> I recently read a french article on the tree dahlia, which states that D
>> imperialis and D arborescens are two sep?rate species
>
> John Bryan's "Bulbs" gives D. arborescens as a synonym
> of D. imperialis
>
> Gareth Rowlands "Gardner's Guide to Growing Dahlias"
> doesn't list D. arborescens at all.
>
> Ken
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:09:27 -0800 (PST)
> From: piaba <piabinha at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pbs] seed germination
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <580223.24300.qm at web51911.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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> hi alberto, do you have any suggestions on how to
> germinate irid seeds? i have not had any luck with
> Habranthus, Gelasine and Cypella from the BX in the
> past. thanks for any suggestions.
>
> --- Alberto Castillo <ezeizabotgard at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Perhaps it woud be of interest to add a
>> few comments to this material sent for the BX.
>> Seed is all fresh, some just harvested
>> Gelasine elongata (azurea), warm grower (W), the
>> region is citrus country
>> > 9. Cypella coelestis (W),
>> from wild collected plants, sugarcane country
>
> =========
> tsuh yang
>
>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 19:34:19 -0000
> From: "Iain Brodie of Falsyde" <auchgourishbotgard at falsyde.sol.co.uk>
> Subject: [pbs] Imports to USA from Scotland and other parts of the EU
> To: <pbs at lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Folks I don't know if this is of any interest or use to members on this
> forum but
> perhaps it might be worth scoping amongst yourselves.
>
> As the person responsible for the management of Auchgourish Botanic Garden
> [ABG] I am
> on behalf of the garden and in my own capacity one of the very few
> registered with the Scottish
> government authorities to import and export living botanical material
> following registration that
> is almost finalised here. This registration is to be limited to plants
> known as Monocots,
> i.e. bulbs, corms and such. There is a small quarantine facility here,
> which although currently
> filled with species Liliums, Cardiocrinum, Nomocharis and Notholirion
> should be free again from
> 1st April this year. What prompted me to make this suggestion was a recent
> posting along the
> lines of " they won't let me have ??????? from the UK ". I think this is
> rather more to do with the
> sheer hassle and grief, not without some justification, by the US
> authorities over incoming to the
> USA and all the effort required that goes along with it, washing roots,
> etc, etc.
>
> Now I am not inviting a veritable stampede but if there are really special
> material needed by folks
> who are unable to secure them in north America then we can coordinate in a
> way that allows me to
> do things in batches and by that means keep costs down by way of shipping
> PHYTO certificates,
> etc there are some possibilities here to be of help.
>
> Thinking out loud with the caveat that the system would need to be checked
> as feasible, which I am
> sure it is, then e.g. if for instance three people had sourced plants in
> either this country and or England,
> did the required deals to pay direct to the suppliers, these could be sent
> here in the first instance at a
> roughly similar date. I would prepare them for inspect and hopefully the
> issuing of a Phyto certificate
> and thereafter pack them as USDA requires, send them down to either
> Edinburgh or Glasgow by
> courier and then flown over to those buying them. I have three caveats of
> my own, [a] I don't want paid
> for my efforts, and [b] don't want to incur any lost costs......... I am
> Scots after all, and [c] this would
> be subject to the quarantine facilities, not very big. not being locked up
> into things coming in to us here.
>
> In simple terms this would need one consignor and one nominated recipient
> at the Canadian or US end,
> from where the recipient named would then take over sending them on to
> their final destination[s]. This
> is not intended as a bulk consignment thing, just special "hard to get"
> species or cultivars. I would also
> ensure that the plants on arrival here from which ever nursery you buy
> them from are satisfactory in terms
> of health but could not take on responsibility to verify them as true to
> name or species, they will obviously
> mostly be in a dormant stage anyway.
>
> Just thoughts from the desk of Iain as I know e.g how hard I have had to
> hassle to secure two of this and
> two of that, etc in the Lily, Iris and Paeone world.
>
> Have a chat amongst yourselves, if of no interest no harm done and no
> offence taken.
>
> Iain
>
> Iain Brodie of Falsyde
> Auchgourish Botanic Garden & Arboretum
> auchgourishbotgard at falsyde.sol.co.uk
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 19:44:42 +0000
> From: Alberto Castillo <ezeizabotgard at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] seed germination
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <BLU104-W40C3DACE163BBF8AFD6B67AE2D0 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> Hi Tsuh:
> Seeds from this part of the world must be sown without delay and
> watered even if time before normal germination season. This is because
> they never experience a period of real drought in the wild (year round
> rainfall), like Mediterranean or other climate bulbs. We do so, sow after
> harvesting and germination is like grass (in due course), the goal being
> not to let the seed dry off.
>
> These seeds were harvested in these last weeks and germination
> should be 100%. Of course, no germination outdoors in Wisconsin if they
> originally come from sugarcane country!
>
>
> With best wishes.
> Alberto
>
> > Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:09:27 -0800> From: piabinha at yahoo.com> To:
> > pbs at lists.ibiblio.org> Subject: [pbs] seed germination> > hi alberto, do
> > you have any suggestions on how to> germinate irid seeds? i have not had
> > any luck with> Habranthus, Gelasine and Cypella from the BX in the>
> > past. thanks for any suggestions.> > --- Alberto Castillo
> > <ezeizabotgard at hotmail.com>> wrote:> > Perhaps it woud be of interest to
> > add a> > few comments to this material sent for the BX.> > Seed is all
> > fresh, some just harvested> > Gelasine elongata (azurea), warm grower
> > (W), the> > region is citrus country> > > 9. Cypella coelestis (W),> >
> > from wild collected plants, sugarcane country> > =========> tsuh yang> >
> > >
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> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 11:56:25 -0800
> From: Lee Poulsen <wpoulsen at pacbell.net>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Imports to USA from Scotland and other parts of the
> EU
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <47AA10E9.5000609 at pacbell.net>
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> Wow, Iain, what an offer! I have both a small lots seed import permit
> and a regular plant import permit. The single most difficult thing to
> obtain when wanting to get a plant (and now bulbs) from overseas, is a
> phytosanitary certificate. Because that is really all that is required
> to accompany a plant or bulb that is being imported to the U.S. from
> overseas. The plant import permit is issued to anyone residing in the
> U.S. for free and lasts 5 years before needing renewal (also free). I
> live relatively near one of the main import inspection stations (which
> is near the Los Angeles Airport) so I don't have to deal much with the
> problem of getting the plants from the inspection station to my home.
>
> But the phytosanitary certificate problem has always been the primary
> and serious obstacle to importing plants and now bulbs from overseas, in
> my experience. It seems, and my experience has been, that our APHIS
> inspectors here, don't much care what gets imported, as long as it isn't
> on the forbidden list and is observationally disease- and pest-free. And
> it is accompanied by a phyto. They then will very nearly immediately
> release it as soon as they inspect it. I've never had anything
> quarantined. They seem to put great stock in that phyto piece of paper.
>
> What are your feelings about having things from outside the UK sent to
> you (that the UK allows to be imported, such as from other EU countries)
> and then sent from you to here with the phyto issued in the UK? The
> agent I've dealt with only seem to care that a phyto be included in the
> package no matter who did the inspection before arriving in the U.S.
>
> I hope you don't get swamped.
> --Lee Poulsen
> Pasadena, California, USDA Zone 10a
>
>
> Iain Brodie of Falsyde wrote:
>> Folks I don't know if this is of any interest or use to members on this
>> forum but
>> perhaps it might be worth scoping amongst yourselves.
>>
>>
>> Now I am not inviting a veritable stampede but if there are really
>> special material needed by folks
>> who are unable to secure them in north America then we can coordinate in
>> a way that allows me to
>> do things in batches and by that means keep costs down by way of shipping
>> PHYTO certificates,
>> etc there are some possibilities here to be of help.
>>
>> Thinking out loud with the caveat that the system would need to be
>> checked as feasible, which I am
>> sure it is, then e.g. if for instance three people had sourced plants in
>> either this country and or England,
>> did the required deals to pay direct to the suppliers, these could be
>> sent here in the first instance at a
>> roughly similar date. I would prepare them for inspect and hopefully the
>> issuing of a Phyto certificate
>> and thereafter pack them as USDA requires, send them down to either
>> Edinburgh or Glasgow by
>> courier and then flown over to those buying them. I have three caveats of
>> my own, [a] I don't want paid
>> for my efforts, and [b] don't want to incur any lost costs......... I am
>> Scots after all, and [c] this would
>> be subject to the quarantine facilities, not very big. not being locked
>> up into things coming in to us here.
>>
>>
>> Just thoughts from the desk of Iain as I know e.g how hard I have had to
>> hassle to secure two of this and
>> two of that, etc in the Lily, Iris and Paeone world.
>>
>> Have a chat amongst yourselves, if of no interest no harm done and no
>> offence taken.
>>
>> Iain
>>
>> Iain Brodie of Falsyde
>> Auchgourish Botanic Garden & Arboretum
>> auchgourishbotgard at falsyde.sol.co.uk
>>
>>
>
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