Mary Sue, No, I haven't tried any of them. I never knew there was such a thing. I would love to try some. Who has them? Send them on over. LOL ===== John Ingram jjingram at adelphia.net Floralartistry2000 at yahoo.com groups.yahoo.com/group/FloralArtistryPhotoPages www.geocities.com/floralartistry2000 photos.yahoo.com/floralartistry2000