[pbs] Ipheion 'Rolf Fiedler'
John MacGregor
jonivy at earthlink.net
Mon Dec 1 04:19:19 EST 2003
on 12/1/03 1:09 AM, John MacGregor at jonivy at earthlink.net wrote:
Sorry for this one! I accidentally hit the send button before I was
finished writing!
> on 11/30/03 10:13 PM, Lee Poulsen at wpoulsen at pacbell.net wrote:
>
>> No, I hadn't gotten any replies. However, now that I read John
>> MacGregor's reply, I'm even more confused.
>>
>> 1. 'Rolf Fiedler' has been known since at least 1978 and even then
>> was already named "Tristagma peregrinans"? Why has there been so much
>> puzzlement over this species since then?
>>
>> 2. The entire Ipheion genus was subsumed into Tristagma since at
>> least 1963? Is this true? Why hasn't anyone anywhere, currently,
>> listed their Ipheion uniflorum species or cultivars as Tristagma
>> uniflorum? This is the first I've heard this.
>
> They have! I took the citations I quoted from the International Plant Names
> Index so they are readily available to anyone interested in pursuing the
> matter. Just a quick Google search turned up several reference sites whose
> authors were at least aware of the synonymy:
>
> http://www.plantyfolia.com/fiches61/index.html
>
> http://mnlg.com/gc/species2pz/t/tri_uni.html
>
> http://gardening.worldonline.co.za/0461.htm
>
> http://www.b-and-t-world-seeds.com/synrazi.htm
>
> http://ucjeps.berkeley.edu/cgi-bin/get_cpn.pl?80620&expand=1
>
> http://www.hear.org/gcw/html/autogend/species/10212.HTM
>
>
>
>
>> 3. So if the "yellow" Ipheions are all Nothoscordums and the "blue"
>> Ipheions are really Tristagmas, then there never were any Ipheions?
>>
>> 4. And what about the Tristagma species that always were Tristagma?
>> Do they look like Ipheions? I've never seen them (although I've tried
>> to grow some seeds of them recently--Chilean species). Does T. nivale
>> look like the various Ipheion species?
>>
>> 5. Should we all re-label our Ipheions? Should we organize an email
>> and letter campaign to tell every mail order nursery around the world
>> that offers Ipheions that they are really Tristagmas? ;-)
>>
>> Just wondering aloud...
>>
>> --Lee Poulsen
>> Pasadena area, California, USDA Zone 9-10
>>
>>
>>> Dear Lee,
>>>
>>> Did you get a private response from anyone about your question below
>>> to the group. I am reposting it since it was written under an Oxalis
>>> subject heading and may have gotten lost. I know a lot of us would
>>> like the answer to this question.
>>>
>>> Mary Sue
>>>
>>> At 07:20 PM 11/18/03 -0800, you wrote:
>>>> Speaking of uncertainties and bones of contention with regard to
>>>> species names and synonyms, I was scanning through Dirk's latest
>>>> list of bulb offerings and happened upon this:
>>>>
>>>> "Ipheion pelegrinans (syn. Tristagma pelegrinans) Known as I.
>>>> 'Rolf Fiedler' in the trade before it's true identity was
>>>> established.
>>
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