[pbs] Ipheion 'Rolf Fiedler'
John MacGregor
jonivy at earthlink.net
Mon Dec 1 04:09:44 EST 2003
on 11/30/03 10:13 PM, Lee Poulsen at wpoulsen at pacbell.net wrote:
> No, I hadn't gotten any replies. However, now that I read John
> MacGregor's reply, I'm even more confused.
>
> 1. 'Rolf Fiedler' has been known since at least 1978 and even then
> was already named "Tristagma peregrinans"? Why has there been so much
> puzzlement over this species since then?
>
> 2. The entire Ipheion genus was subsumed into Tristagma since at
> least 1963? Is this true? Why hasn't anyone anywhere, currently,
> listed their Ipheion uniflorum species or cultivars as Tristagma
> uniflorum? This is the first I've heard this.
They have! I took the citations I quoted from the International Plant Names
Index so they are readily available to anyone interested in pursuing the
matter. Just a quick Google search turned up several reference sites whose
authors were at least aware of the synonymy:
http://www.plantyfolia.com/fiches61/index.html
http://mnlg.com/gc/species2pz/t/tri_uni.html
http://gardening.worldonline.co.za/0461.htm
http://www.b-and-t-world-seeds.com/synrazi.htm
http://ucjeps.berkeley.edu/cgi-bin/get_cpn.pl?80620&expand=1
http://www.hear.org/gcw/html/autogend/species/10212.HTM
> 3. So if the "yellow" Ipheions are all Nothoscordums and the "blue"
> Ipheions are really Tristagmas, then there never were any Ipheions?
>
> 4. And what about the Tristagma species that always were Tristagma?
> Do they look like Ipheions? I've never seen them (although I've tried
> to grow some seeds of them recently--Chilean species). Does T. nivale
> look like the various Ipheion species?
>
> 5. Should we all re-label our Ipheions? Should we organize an email
> and letter campaign to tell every mail order nursery around the world
> that offers Ipheions that they are really Tristagmas? ;-)
>
> Just wondering aloud...
>
> --Lee Poulsen
> Pasadena area, California, USDA Zone 9-10
>
>
>> Dear Lee,
>>
>> Did you get a private response from anyone about your question below
>> to the group. I am reposting it since it was written under an Oxalis
>> subject heading and may have gotten lost. I know a lot of us would
>> like the answer to this question.
>>
>> Mary Sue
>>
>> At 07:20 PM 11/18/03 -0800, you wrote:
>>> Speaking of uncertainties and bones of contention with regard to
>>> species names and synonyms, I was scanning through Dirk's latest
>>> list of bulb offerings and happened upon this:
>>>
>>> "Ipheion pelegrinans (syn. Tristagma pelegrinans) Known as I.
>>> 'Rolf Fiedler' in the trade before it's true identity was
>>> established.
>
>
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