[ocba] citation CH bees as livestock

Elisabeth Curtis granda.curtis at gmail.com
Tue May 20 08:56:45 EDT 2008


Having just been involved in a public hearing involving chickens in
Carrboro, I am pretty certain that Carrboro's ordinances are different from
Chapel Hill's and that at least with regard to chickens, both Chapel Hill
and Durham wants to change theirs to be more like Carrboro's more lenient
ordinances. That said, I must admit I have not searched the appropriate
ordinances. Do we know what prompted the inquiry? -Elisabeth

On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 8:25 AM, Jane Dunlap <janedunlap at bellsouth.net>
wrote:

> Lanette -- Here's the citation -- Jane
>
> Everyone knows there is always some below the radar activity. I know a man
> who kept a pet rooster for a year or so who roamed a fairly densely
> populated older neighborhood and was welcomed by most of the neighbors. If
> the neighbors don't mind and the hive isn't in a place easily investigated
> by curious children or pets ...
>
> Glad I live in the country :-)
>
> http://www.townofchapelhill.org/DocumentView.asp?DID=519
>
> Appendix A, Definitiions
>
> Agriculture, livestock: The use of land for the keeping, grazing, feeding,
> or breeding of
> livestock, including cattle, hogs, sheep, goats, and poultry, and also
> animal specialties such as
> horses, breeding of livestock, including cattle, hogs, sheep, goats, and
> poultry, and also animal
> specialties such as horses, rabbits, bees, and fish and fur-bearing animals
> in captivity.
>
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> From: "Lanette  Fee" <fee at sprintmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ocba] bees in CH/CBO city limits
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> Dear All,
>    I have read the part Jane referenced, but I disagree with this
> interpretation of the ordinances.  There are other sections that deal more
> specifically with animals, large and small, pet and livestock.  See...
>
> http://www.municode.com/resources/gateway.asp?sid=33&pid=19952
>
>    Bees are not designated as livestock in the codes I found.  If we look
> at chapter 4 (Animals and Animal Control) in the link above, there is a
> discussion of horses, cows, goats, swine, and sheep which indicates that
> you
> are required to have more than 4 acres to have one of these and there is no
> reference to specific land use areas designated for this.  Chickens are
> definitely livestock and you are allowed to house up to 20 chickens within
> the city limits under certain conditions (i.e., cleanliness, noncommercial
> use only, noise level not a nuisance to neighbors, can't run at large
> within
> the town limits).  Rabbits are discussed - you can't sell them less than 60
> days of age and you can't dye them (or baby chicks) for sale.  (Who on
> Earth
> would want to dye them?  The things some people will do!)
>    There is no mention of bees at all.  But, there is discussion of many
> other livestock.
>    I did a search in the link in Jane's message and could not find specific
> mention of bees or bees being classified as livestock.  Jane, could you
> point me to the right section, please?  I must have been delinquent in
> finding it.  All I found was a table that had Agriculture: Livestock v.
> Non-Livestock where I found the districts you mention, but nothing other
> than that.
>    How many hives constitues someone conducting "Agriculture? "   My
> interpretation of this would be that the zoning maps indicate residential
> v.
> business use and  I agree that beekeeping as a business is agriculture.
> And, I also agree that a couple of hundred hives downtown might not be such
> a good idea.  But I think that a few hives would fall under the animal and
> animal control ordinances rather than the business v. residential
> ordinances.  The chickens are a good example where a few for noncommercial
> purposes are allowed.
>    What do you think?
> Lanette Fee
>
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> > The ordinances for both towns are a bit dense, but Chapel Hill classifies
> > bees as 'livestock,' which can only be kept in a few low-density zoning
> > districts: R-LD5, RT, MH. Carrboro doesn't specifically mention bees that
> > I
> > could find, but goes on about how non-pets must be kept on the owner's
> > property and x distance from property lines. So it seems that neither
> town
> > is bee-friendly. Probably best to check with someone at Town Hall before
> > installing a hive.
> >
> > You can't keep elephants in Carrboro, either.
> >
> >  -- Jane
> >
> >
> > See CH land use matrix here:
> >
> > http://www.townofchapelhill.org/DocumentView.asp?DID=521
> >
> > and a zoning map here:
> >
> > http://www.townofchapelhill.org/DocumentView.asp?DID=1669
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> > All,
> > Michael Pettiford has bees in a hole in a tree.  The hole is ground level
> > and might be easily accessible via bee-vac.  His number is 923-3577.
> > Happy Beekeeping!
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> > From: Randall Austin <ra41717 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [ocba] QUESTION
> > To: Becky Bollinger <beckyalis at gmail.com>
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> > Becky,
> >
> > The Chapel Hill town ordinances can be found here:
> > http://www.municode.com/resources/gateway.asp?sid=33&pid=19952
> >
> > The Carrboro ordinances can be found here:
> > http://www.ci.carrboro.nc.us/TC/towncode.htm
> >
> > I'm not a lawyer & may have overlooked something, but it doesn't appear
> > to me that either Chapel Hill or Carrboro have any restrictions
> > whatsoever on keeping honey bees. Note that by their own specific
> > definitions, their animal control statutes only include vertebrates so
> > don't cover honey bees.
> >
> > However you should be aware that in Carrboro, it is specifically against
> > the law to possess a camel.
> >
> > Randall
> >
> > Becky Bollinger wrote:
> >> Does anyone know if it is legal to keep bees within Chapel Hill and
> >> Carrboro town limits?
> >> Thanks,
> >> Becky
> >>
> >>
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