[NAFEX] Ernest's Evans cherries
Dan Nave
nave1 at comcast.net
Tue Jun 22 18:01:15 EDT 2010
http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/fruit/msg0223441021460.html
Ernest Plutko wrote:
> Some good info on Evans http://www.forums2gardenweb.com/forums/.../msg0223441021460.html Other info on NAFEX year 2000
>
> ---- Original Message ----
> From: nave1 at comcast.net
> To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Ernest's Evans cherries
> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 19:31:40 -0500
>
>
>> Well, I expect I am mistaken about them coming in true from seed. I
>> am
>> a bit of a novice in this field.
>>
>> Still, it seemed odd to graft a hardy tree onto a not-so-hardy root
>> stock. The idea that this is to prevent suckering seems reasonable.
>>
>> I'm near St. Paul, Minnesota.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>> Douglas Woodard wrote:
>>
>>> Dan, what you have heard does not agree with what I have heard from
>>>
>> a
>>
>>> very well-informed person, which is that Evans does not come true
>>>
> >from
>
>>> seed and that Evans seedlings are not even cold-hardy at Edmonton.
>>>
>> See
>>
>>>
>> <http://www.ibiblio.org/ecolandtech/NAFEX/message-archives/old/msg036
>> 90.html>
>>
>>> What is the source of your information, and where are you?
>>>
>>> Growing sour cherries on their own roots is apparently not that
>>>
>> easy,
>>
>>> and tissue culture is the favoured way. Evidently some nurseries
>>>
>> prefer
>>
>>> to graft, perhaps to have the whole process under their own
>>>
>> control.
>>
>>> You may be interested in the articles linked at
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evans_Cherry
>>>
>>> Doug Woodard
>>> St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada
>>>
>>>
>>> Dan Nave wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Why would one bother to graft Evans since it it is hearty on it's
>>>>
>> own
>>
>>>> roots and supposedly grows true from seed?...
>>>>
>>>> Dan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Douglas Woodard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Ernest, grafted trees from commercial sources would probably be
>>>>>
>> grafted
>>
>>>>> on Mazzard or Mahaleb. If I remember rightly you are in a
>>>>>
>> particularly
>>
>>>>> cold area of northern Minnesota. I would expect your temperatures
>>>>>
>> to
>>
>>>>> damage (in a warm winter unless with heavy snow cover) or kill
>>>>>
>> either
>>
>>>>> Mazzard or Mahaleb. Mahaleb is fussy about good drainage, likes a
>>>>>
>> coarse
>>
>>>>> subsoil. Any hardy rootstock readily available cheap to a
>>>>>
>> comercial
>>
>>>>> nursery is likely to suffer from compatibility problems. The only
>>>>>
>>>>> rootstock I can think of that *might* suit is Prunus X
>>>>>
>> Dropmoreana,
>>
>>>>> Frank Skinner's creation. Forty years ago East Malling did some
>>>>>
>> work
>>
>>>>> with it as a stock for sweet cherries, and from what I recall
>>>>>
>> reading,
>>
>>>>> some clones of it were compatible with sweets and some were not.
>>>>>
>>>>> If your sources were what I would consider fully competent and
>>>>> honourable, they would have told you what rootstock they were
>>>>>
>> using -
>>
>>>>> unless maybe they were afraid their competition would find out
>>>>>
>> about it.
>>
>>>>> This kind of competitive pressure is one of the curses of the
>>>>>
>> nursry
>>
>>>>> business. It's extremely hard to know if your supplier is
>>>>>
>> understandably
>>
>>>>> secretive, or crooked or irresponsible.
>>>>>
>>>>> Doug Woodard
>>>>> St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ernest Plutko wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Before" means before I buried grafts. I was not doing a
>>>>>>
>> research
>>
>>>>>> study. I was just trying to get trees to live through winters.
>>>>>>
>> I
>>
>>>>>> bought trees from several sources. Local and mail-order. It is
>>>>>> possible burying graft is just protecting graft from winter
>>>>>>
>> cold.
>>
>>>>>> This fall I will probe around buried trunks to see if roots have
>>>>>> grown from Evans trunks. I'll look up Evans own-root sources
>>>>>>
>> and let
>>
>>>>>> you know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---- Original Message ----
>>>>>> From: murphman108 at msn.com
>>>>>> To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org
>>>>>> Subject: RE: [NAFEX] Ernest's Evans cherries
>>>>>> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 03:14:46 +0000
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello Ernest;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am interested in your Evans story. The trees that you buried
>>>>>>>
>> the
>>
>>>>>>> graft union were better 'than before'. What does 'than before'
>>>>>>>
>> mean?
>>
>>>>>>> Did you plant some at the same time from the same batch without
>>>>>>> burying the graft? Same plant source? This is a decent finding
>>>>>>>
>> on
>>
>>>>>>> your part. Please elaborate. Also, who is the 'own root' Evans
>>>>>>>
>> cherry
>>
>>>>>>> tree source?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Murph
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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