[NAFEX] Ernest's Evans cherries

Dan Nave nave1 at comcast.net
Tue Jun 22 18:01:15 EDT 2010


http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/fruit/msg0223441021460.html


Ernest Plutko wrote:
> Some good info on Evans http://www.forums2gardenweb.com/forums/.../msg0223441021460.html    Other info on NAFEX year 2000
>
> ---- Original Message ----
> From: nave1 at comcast.net
> To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Ernest's Evans cherries
> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 19:31:40 -0500
>
>   
>> Well, I expect I am mistaken about them coming in true from seed.  I
>> am 
>> a bit of a novice in this field.
>>
>> Still, it seemed odd to graft a hardy tree onto a not-so-hardy root 
>> stock.  The idea that this is to prevent suckering seems reasonable.
>>
>> I'm near St. Paul, Minnesota.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>> Douglas Woodard wrote:
>>     
>>> Dan, what you have heard does not agree with what I have heard from
>>>       
>> a 
>>     
>>> very well-informed person, which is that Evans does not come true
>>>       
> >from 
>   
>>> seed and that Evans seedlings are not even cold-hardy at Edmonton.
>>>       
>> See
>>     
>>>       
>> <http://www.ibiblio.org/ecolandtech/NAFEX/message-archives/old/msg036
>> 90.html> 
>>     
>>> What is the source of your information, and where are you?
>>>
>>> Growing sour cherries on their own roots is apparently not that
>>>       
>> easy, 
>>     
>>> and tissue culture is the favoured way. Evidently some nurseries
>>>       
>> prefer 
>>     
>>> to graft, perhaps to have the whole process under their own
>>>       
>> control.
>>     
>>> You may be interested in the articles linked at
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evans_Cherry
>>>
>>> Doug Woodard
>>> St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada
>>>
>>>
>>> Dan Nave wrote:
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> Why would one bother to graft Evans since it it is hearty on it's
>>>>         
>> own 
>>     
>>>> roots and supposedly grows true from seed?...
>>>>
>>>> Dan
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> Douglas Woodard wrote:
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>> Ernest, grafted trees from commercial sources would probably be
>>>>>           
>> grafted 
>>     
>>>>> on Mazzard or Mahaleb. If I remember rightly you are in a
>>>>>           
>> particularly 
>>     
>>>>> cold area of northern Minnesota. I would expect your temperatures
>>>>>           
>> to 
>>     
>>>>> damage (in a warm winter unless with heavy snow cover) or kill
>>>>>           
>> either 
>>     
>>>>> Mazzard or Mahaleb. Mahaleb is fussy about good drainage, likes a
>>>>>           
>> coarse 
>>     
>>>>> subsoil. Any hardy rootstock readily available cheap to a
>>>>>           
>> comercial 
>>     
>>>>> nursery is likely to suffer from compatibility problems. The only
>>>>>           
>>>>> rootstock I can think of that *might* suit is Prunus X
>>>>>           
>> Dropmoreana, 
>>     
>>>>> Frank Skinner's creation. Forty years ago East Malling did some
>>>>>           
>> work 
>>     
>>>>> with it as a stock for sweet cherries, and from what I recall
>>>>>           
>> reading, 
>>     
>>>>> some clones of it were compatible with sweets and some were not.
>>>>>
>>>>> If your sources were what I would consider fully competent and 
>>>>> honourable, they would have told you what rootstock they were
>>>>>           
>> using - 
>>     
>>>>> unless maybe they were afraid their competition would find out
>>>>>           
>> about it.
>>     
>>>>> This kind of competitive pressure is one of the curses of the
>>>>>           
>> nursry 
>>     
>>>>> business. It's extremely hard to know if your supplier is
>>>>>           
>> understandably 
>>     
>>>>> secretive, or crooked or irresponsible.
>>>>>
>>>>> Doug Woodard
>>>>> St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ernest Plutko wrote:
>>>>>   
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>>>>>> "Before" means before I buried grafts.  I was not doing a
>>>>>>             
>> research
>>     
>>>>>> study.  I was just trying to get trees to live through winters.
>>>>>>             
>> I
>>     
>>>>>> bought trees from several sources. Local and mail-order. It is
>>>>>> possible burying graft is just protecting graft from winter
>>>>>>             
>> cold. 
>>     
>>>>>> This fall I will probe around buried trunks to see if roots have
>>>>>> grown from Evans trunks.  I'll look up Evans own-root sources
>>>>>>             
>> and let
>>     
>>>>>> you know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---- Original Message ----
>>>>>> From: murphman108 at msn.com
>>>>>> To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org
>>>>>> Subject: RE: [NAFEX] Ernest's Evans cherries
>>>>>> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 03:14:46 +0000
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> Hello Ernest;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am interested in your Evans story. The trees that you buried
>>>>>>>               
>> the
>>     
>>>>>>> graft union were better 'than before'. What does 'than before'
>>>>>>>               
>> mean?
>>     
>>>>>>> Did you plant some at the same time from the same batch without
>>>>>>> burying the graft? Same plant source? This is a decent finding
>>>>>>>               
>> on
>>     
>>>>>>> your part. Please elaborate. Also, who is the 'own root' Evans
>>>>>>>               
>> cherry
>>     
>>>>>>> tree source?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Murph
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>               
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