[NAFEX] cornus mas

Jay Cutts cutts at cuttsreviews.com
Sat Jan 16 17:09:15 EST 2010


Because of the very early flowering, I tried it here in NM at 7000 feet where
most trees get subjected to late frosts and don't set fruit. I assumed that if
it blooms that early, it must have built in resistance to frosts.

Unfortunately, it seems to be susceptible here to a strange syndrome which
affects certain plants that are unrelated to each other.  Part way through the
season the leaves begin to die back from the edges, turning brownish and
drying up.  Eventually this works its way to the center of the leaf.  It
affects all the leaves on the plant and I have never had a plant recover from it.

I have theorized that the cause could be high ultraviolet or perhaps the high
mineral content of the soil or the irrigation water.  The syndrome has
affected Cornus mas and kousa, pawpaws (which are notoriously susceptible to
direct sun in their early years), hardy kiwi, sweet cherries, among others. 
Some other cherries seem to be mildly affected but survive.  My Montmorency's
leaves get a bit ragged on the edges by late summer.  My chokecherries pretty
much have their leaves destroyed by late summer but survive anyway.

I'd love to grow Cornus mas but haven't figured a way around this.  By the
way, sometimes people say to grow it in some shade but we don't have shade
here.  At least any shade that exists is under very competitive pines and
junipers.

Any ideas?


> 
> I am not a big fan of Cornus mas fruits but from giving a lot out for  
> tasting, I have found that about 40 percent of the people really like  
> them. The flavor varies quite dramatically with ripeness or how long  
> they've sat after being picked. I do like the tree because it blossoms  
> very early, stays in bloom for a weeks and weeks, always has good  
> fruit set, and the fruits are ornamental in and of themselves. I have  
> a variety called Black Plum that I think is better than most others  
> (but I'm still no great fan of the fruit).
> 
> My uncommon fruit book has a whole chapter on Cornus mas. It also has  
> a very interesting history.
> 
> Lee Reich, PhD
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> http://leereich.com/blog.html.
> 
> Books by Lee Reich:
> A Northeast Gardener's Year
> The Pruning Book
> Weedless Gardening
> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
> Landscaping with Fruit
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 16, 2010, at 4:27 PM, Michele Stanton wrote:
> 
> > There are differences in taste.  Have you been to the Cincinnati Zoo  
> > in
> > mid-to-late March to see them in flower?  Not wow in my opinion,  
> > sort of
> > like a subdued forsythia, but not bad, either.
> >
> > There are quite a few mature trees up at the Secrest Arboretum in  
> > Wooster if
> > you care to take the drive.  If I remember right they mature there  
> > the first
> > part of September.  Some were good fresh when dead ripe, a little  
> > bit like a
> > ripe pie cherry; others remained sour.  I didn't have the chance to  
> > cook
> > with them at the time.  But I do remember that birds didn't seem too  
> > excited
> > about the fruits; when they dropped on the ground, there didn't seem  
> > to be
> > too many critters feasting on them, either.  (Maybe the coons were  
> > having
> > too much fun with all the nearby corn).
> > Michele in SW Ohio
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
> > [mailto:nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of mark wessel
> > Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 4:07 PM
> > To: North American Fruit Explorers
> > Subject: Re: [NAFEX] cornus mas,are they really as good as people say
> >
> >   First let me say that the only cornus mas I am familiar with is  
> > the one
> > they use in many old gardens around Cincinnati. They all seem the  
> > same. I
> > have heard people rave about the fruit. To me its just this sour red  
> > fruit.
> > I have even picked them off the ground having a dark red bing cherry  
> > color.
> > They are still sour. Are the cultivars better tasting. Is cooking  
> > when they
> > come into there own. Do they transform into a whole different beast  
> > when
> > cooked like serviceberry. I am just trying to love them.
> >    Are there varieties that have brighter yellow flowers?
> >
> > Mark
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> about 40 percent of the people really like them. The flavor varies quite =
> dramatically with ripeness or how long they've sat after being picked. I =
> do like the tree because it blossoms very early, stays in bloom for a =
> weeks and weeks, always has good fruit set, and the fruits are =
> ornamental in and of themselves. I have a variety called Black Plum that =
> I think is better than most others (but I'm still no great fan of the =
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> "><br></span></font></div><div>Books by Lee Reich:</div><div><i>A =
> Northeast Gardener's Year</i></div><div><i>The Pruning =
> Book</i></div><div><i>Weedless Gardening</i></div><div><i>Uncommon =
> Fruits for Every Garden</i></div><div><i>Landscaping with =
> Fruit</i></div><div><br></div></div></span></div></span></div></span></div=
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> class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br><div><div>On Jan 16, =
> 2010, at 4:27 PM, Michele Stanton wrote:</div><br =
> class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>There =
> are differences in taste. &nbsp;Have you been to the Cincinnati Zoo =
> in<br>mid-to-late March to see them in flower? &nbsp;Not wow in my =
> opinion, sort of<br>like a subdued forsythia, but not bad, =
> either.<br><br>There are quite a few mature trees up at the Secrest =
> Arboretum in Wooster if<br>you care to take the drive. &nbsp;If I =
> remember right they mature there the first<br>part of September. =
> &nbsp;Some were good fresh when dead ripe, a little bit like a<br>ripe =
> pie cherry; others remained sour. &nbsp;I didn't have the chance to =
> cook<br>with them at the time. &nbsp;But I do remember that birds didn't =
> seem too excited<br>about the fruits; when they dropped on the ground, =
> there didn't seem to be<br>too many critters feasting on them, either. =
> &nbsp;(Maybe the coons were having<br>too much fun with all the nearby =
> corn). &nbsp;<br>Michele in SW Ohio<br><br>-----Original =
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> 16, 2010 4:07 PM<br>To: North American Fruit Explorers<br>Subject: Re: =
> [NAFEX] cornus mas,are they really as good as people say<br><br> =
> &nbsp;&nbsp;First let me say that the only cornus mas I am familiar with =
> is the one<br>they use in many old gardens around Cincinnati. They all =
> seem the same. I<br>have heard people rave about the fruit. To me its =
> just this sour red fruit.<br>I have even picked them off the ground =
> having a dark red bing cherry color.<br>They are still sour. Are the =
> cultivars better tasting. Is cooking when they<br>come into there own. =
> Do they transform into a whole different beast when<br>cooked like =
> serviceberry. I am just trying to love them.<br> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Are =
> there varieties that have brighter yellow =
> flowers?<br><br>Mark<br>_______________________________________________<br=
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