[NAFEX] nafex Digest, Vol 70, Issue 8

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Wed Nov 5 22:50:52 EST 2008


regarding frozen apples
our experience is that below a certain temp FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF
TIME the apples lose much of the flavor and the snap   we can go as
low as low as 26 successfully but i would say below 26 for enough
hours to freeze the apple solid would be the death knoll   if it warms
up after just a few hours of freezing temps, apples could possibly be
allright

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>    1. Re: Frozen (?) apples (Lon J. Rombough)
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> From: "Lon J. Rombough" <lonrom at hevanet.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Frozen (?) apples
> To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Richard Fahey, Nafex's apple interest group chairman, has selected a
> lot of what he calls "dummy" apples - varieties that will hang on into
> the winter.  He collects frozen fruit from the trees and presses them
> for a very sweet, clear juice in the midst of winter.
> -Lon Rombough
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> On Nov 5, 2008, at 7:29 AM, kelly at theravenrocks.com wrote:
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> My experience is that the?varieties that survive frost, freezing,
> disease, drought, etc. are always the least desirable ones.
> ?
> Kelly Coffey
> western North Carolina
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: D Stubbs [mailto:dsmndel at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2008 08:32 AM
>> To: 'North American Fruit Explorers'
>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Frozen (?) apples
>>
>>
>> This is an important subject to cold climate growers, but so far I
>> haven't found anything that relates why one apple frost damages at 27F
>> and another at 15F.? Makes me wonder if I should get a brix
>> refractometer ( any apple growers out there find them handy?) , but
>> the apples I am thinking of seemed to have a similar sweetness. Does
>> anyone know the mechanism that regulates frost damage - Cell
>> structure? Sugar Starch Content?? Parentage? Ripeness?
>> Del, ?2b/3a ?n. Mn
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Steve <sdw12986 at aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Lucky Pittman inspired this comment when he asked what temperature
>>> would
>>> damage his late apples. This isn't intended to be another answer for
>>> him
>>> but more a story about what I just experienced.
>>>
>>> Honeygold is about the latest ripening apple I dare to grow here. Some
>>> years, they aren't very good because the season wasn't long/warm
>>> enough.
>>> ?I mentioned some months ago about how I didn't spray a fungicide this
>>> year due to rain, wind, or both just about every day in the early part
>>> of the summer. The Honeygolds suffered greatly from this and were
>>> badly
>>> spotted and scarred by scab. (The high speed hail storm in June didn't
>>> help their looks either.) I wanted to thin them heavily to get rid of
>>> the most damaged fruit but they were so bad that I lost interest and
>>> never did thin them properly.
>>>
>>> I picked the best of them before we had a hard frost but left most of
>>> them on the tree, thinking I would pick and discard the rest. (I still
>>> hope to do that.)
>>>
>>> I walked out there today and noticed that there were still some decent
>>> Honeygolds up in the tree. I tasted one and it was good so I picked a
>>> dozen more of the better ones and took them inside. I have eaten two
>>> more today. If someone had asked me the same question about how cold
>>> can
>>> they go without damage, I would have answered upper to maybe mid 20s.
>>>
>>> Here's the point of all this. We had a prediction last weekend of 10
>>> or
>>> 11 degrees for the low. Today I checked my recording thermometer,
>>> which
>>> is wired to a different apple tree near the Honeygold and my yard went
>>> down to 15 degrees Saturday night. I do believe the texture of the
>>> apples I picked today is slightly different but they are still good.
>>> If
>>> you tell me they would now not store as well, I would believe it. I'm
>>> just surprised they are still very edible after 15 degrees. Any
>>> comments?
>>>
>>> Steve in the Adirondacks (Zone 4a on the map, zone 3 by the
>>> thermometer)
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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