[NAFEX] Samdal Elderberries/L. caerulea

Hans Brinkmann hans-brinkmann at t-online.de
Fri May 25 18:22:38 EDT 2007


Hallo Jan,
very interesting - indeed - to read your Lonicera caerulea experience.
Unfortunately your experience with the Geisenheim Research Center has 
been bad...
I think Geisenheim Research is specialized only in Grape and many 
Stone-fruits plus a few others.
Anyhow Mr. Jakobs reaction is symptomatic for many specialists...

I have new Altai, Amur, Morena, Fialka, Jupiter and Maistar (all 
protected) and some "Blues", but I just started with Lonicera.
I think it will be very easy for us to exchange some new harvest seeds ...
In fact we are just neighbors.

ciao
Hans from Germany



vrana schrieb:
> I have many cultivars.I wisited Mr.Jakob in gaisenheim research station and
> show him my pictures. He ask: what is it? I told: loniceras for fruit. He
> went with me into liberary and took encyklopedia and found there,that it
> have fruit of bad taste. I ofered my help in researchz but he refused. I
> could help a lot. now research is very far, but there is still a lot of work
> to be done.I have berries only 30mm, but russians have till50mm.   Nearly
> each university have it in research now.It have great future ekonomy
> meaning.  Jan
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Hans Brinkmann" <hans-brinkmann at t-online.de>
> To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 3:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Samdal Elderberries/L. caerulea
>
>
> Hallo Vrana,
> thank you very much! I am always interested in good cultivars.
> In Germany we have approx. 10 cultivars of Lonicera caerulea var.
> kamtschatica.
> Some are the American Blue-series and some are new ones from different
> origins.
> Which one do you have in your country?
> Yes, they contain Anthocyanes(amount?), Flavonole, Rutin, vitamin C,
> 6-8% sugar and 2-4% fruit-acids.
>
> ciao
> hans
>
>
>
> vrana schrieb:
>   
>> and what do you say for haskap content of anthocyans?
>> http://image.www.rakuten.co.jp/sikikoubou/img10122191101.jpeg
>> http://item.rakuten.co.jp/kitanomori/hasukappu6/ If interested, contact
>>     
> me.
>   
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Hans Brinkmann" <hans-brinkmann at t-online.de>
>> To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 10:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Samdal Elderberries
>>
>>
>> Hallo Doug,
>> Sambucus is e.g. containing much Appleacid, Grapeacid and Anthocyane.
>> Anthocyane are very strong antioxidants  with many, many positive
>>     
> effects...
>   
>> Probably this is the reason we strongly recommend Sambucus against a
>> cold, an infection and even against  infection-pain and others effects.
>> Only "wild"! Vaccinum berries have a much higher content. Vaccinum CV
>> have almost none content.
>> We consider e.g. Samdal, Samyl, Sambu and Haschberg (bad
>> umbel-ripening-time) for a very high Anthocyane content.
>> According to my information pure S. canadensis has always a smaller
>> Anthocyane content.
>>
>> ciao
>> hans
>>
>>
>> dwoodard at becon.org schrieb:
>>
>>     
>>> Hans, is there a Sambucus nigra cultivar recommended for anyi-viral
>>> (common cold) activity?
>>>
>>> Doug Woodard
>>> St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 24 May 2007, Hans Brinkmann wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Hallo Richard,
>>>> Sambucus nigra "Samdal" is really good, high Anthocyan! medium growth,
>>>> no special disease-problem at Germany, but many are possible.
>>>> "Allesöe" has even better harvest because of same ripening-time(per
>>>> umbel)! is one of the best for commercial plantations at Germany!
>>>> We use different cultivars for different chemical contents.
>>>> Probably you have also nice crosses between S. nigra and S. canadensis.
>>>>
>>>> ciao
>>>> Hans
>>>>
>>>>         
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