[NAFEX] pumping water

Mark & Helen Angermayer hangermayer at isp.com
Mon Jun 18 17:21:38 EDT 2007


Forgot to mention, the submersible pumps have a pigtail of wire several
feet.  Keep the pigtail out of the water, otherwise you have to make a
waterproof connection, which will also necessitate you use waterproof wire.
Mark
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From: "Mark & Helen Angermayer" <>
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 4:09 PM
Subject: [NAFEX] pumping water


One more thought.  The type of irrigation will also determine the filter you
use.  With drip irrigation, you will need a significant filter, otherwise
the drippers will plug.  If your just planning to use a hose to water,
you'll only need to filter it if you use a closed impeller pump.  A 5 gallon
bucket filled with big gravel would protect the impeller.  Drill some small
holes in the bucket, cut a large hole in the bottom of the bucket to put the
intake in, then put the gravel on top.  Just make sure the gravel is big
enough so it won't go in the intake.  Or as Helene says, a big metal
container with small holes would probably do it.

Again, if you can get electricity down close to the creek, I would recommend
a small well pump.  I'm familiar with fully submersible pumps, and above
ground jet pumps.  Either one would work, but a jet pump would be a little
harder to set up.  Small well pumps won't pump high volumes of water but
they will deliver good pressure (in one step) with little horsepower.  For a
1/2 horsepower submersible for a temporary electrical hookup, you could use
12/2 w/ground romex.  This would be large enough to prevent any significant
voltage drop and it would certainly handle the amperage.  For something more
permanent you could bury 12/2 w/ground UF.  If you use a 1/3 horsepower
pump, you could go with 14 gauge wire.

Mark

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From: "Hélène Dessureault" <>
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Antitranspirants/Surround?


It's easier to push water up a hill than to pull it.  So, you can set up a
pomp at the base which pulls water from the creek up some way if necessary
(30 to 40 feet for example) and pushes this water up for the longer distance
(100 feet). Otherwise, to pull that distance up hill, (the pump being set at
the top of the hill) you need a two pipe system with a vacuum (I believe)
which is a lot harder to operate and more capricious when it comes to
priming. I have had both and can tell you that the pull-push set up is by
far the cheapest and the easiest to maintain. The water comes in the pump at
one end from the pipe linked to the foot valve set in the stream and goes
out up hill toward the house or the garden.
To avoid drawing silt and dirt from the stream you need to encase the foot
valve in something that prevent that dirt and silt from plugging the valve.
A big metal container filled with holes enclosing the foot valve could do
the trick. A cement cylinder intalled in the stream would also work.
I would be interested to know how you resolve this problem...

Hélène, zone 3-4

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark & Helen Angermayer" <hangermayer at isp.com>
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Antitranspirants/Surround?


> Hi Donna,
>
> Re, the pump.  140' of head is not a big deal.  That's only 70psi.  Any
> small well pump will deliver that much pressure.  The biggest problem
> pumping out of a creek is to keep the trash and silt out of the pump so
> you'll need some kind of filter if it's a closed impeller pump.  Open
> impeller pumps will handle more trash, but they are less efficient and
take
> more horsepower to deliver the pressure you need.  For open impeller
pumps,
> you might look into pacer pumps.  They sell them in farm supplies around
> here.  They make good cheap plastic pumps that hold up well (I don't know
if
> they make closed impeller pumps).  Just make sure the pump will deliver
the
> pressure you need.
>
> Mark
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Donna &/or Kieran" <>
> To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 10:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Antitranspirants/Surround?
>
>
> > You all are not very encouraging re the antitranspirant I had bought for
> > some reason or other last fall.  Have any of you used Surround in
drought?
> > I have read of it for dry climates to reduce evaporation, so I went
ahead
> > and sprayed some on tomato and bean plants while I waited for a call
back
> > from the company re "No Wilt".  There is too little moisture in the soil
> for
> > plants to grow.  Some lucky bean plants are in a spot where leaves were
> > piled so nothing grew all last year and no weeds used the stockpiled
> > moisture this spring.  These are about 4' high and blooming now.  Other
> > beans came up and have stood there the same height for the last 6 weeks.
> > I've covered a lot of plants with nylon curtains to hold off the burning
> sun
> > and hold in humidity.  I'm figuring that for those still exposed and
even
> > those partly covered, that turning the leaves white with Surround is
bound
> > to help at least in reducing the surface temp of the leaves.  With no
rain
> > to wash it off, I don't mind using some of our precious 20 gallons or so
a
> > day to spray them.
> >    Re Mark's comments on 'Wilt pruf":  "The problem I have using it for
> > transplanting is that it eventually kills
> > the foliage.   It still works OK though because by the time the sprayed
> > foliage starts to die, the plant starts
> > pushing up new growth."  This is not at all what I had in mind, because
> this
> > isn't transplant shock, there is no water to start new growth.  I just
> want
> > to slow evaporation enough that the veggie plants, and my roses and
fruit
> > trees, won't die in between the light showers we are now getting about
> twice
> > a month.  At least, I hope we are still getting them twice a month as
it's
> > been over 2 weeks now since we got that last 1/10 inch rainfall.
> >     We are looking into something affordable that will pump 140 ft of
> > vertical head from the creek.  Looks a like Shurflo 12V pump might do
it.
> > We have one, but not a strong enough model to pump all the way to the
top.
> > Everyone says we'd do best to step it anyway.   Any advice would be
> > appreciated.       Donna
> >
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