interverbis at videotron.ca
Mon Jun 18 11:43:33 EDT 2007
It's easier to push water up a hill than to pull it. So, you can set up a
pomp at the base which pulls water from the creek up some way if necessary
(30 to 40 feet for example) and pushes this water up for the longer distance
(100 feet). Otherwise, to pull that distance up hill, (the pump being set at
the top of the hill) you need a two pipe system with a vacuum (I believe)
which is a lot harder to operate and more capricious when it comes to
priming. I have had both and can tell you that the pull-push set up is by
far the cheapest and the easiest to maintain. The water comes in the pump at
one end from the pipe linked to the foot valve set in the stream and goes
out up hill toward the house or the garden.
To avoid drawing silt and dirt from the stream you need to encase the foot
valve in something that prevent that dirt and silt from plugging the valve.
A big metal container filled with holes enclosing the foot valve could do
the trick. A cement cylinder intalled in the stream would also work.
I would be interested to know how you resolve this problem...
Hélène, zone 3-4
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark & Helen Angermayer" <hangermayer at isp.com>
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Antitranspirants/Surround?
> Hi Donna,
> Re, the pump. 140' of head is not a big deal. That's only 70psi. Any
> small well pump will deliver that much pressure. The biggest problem
> pumping out of a creek is to keep the trash and silt out of the pump so
> you'll need some kind of filter if it's a closed impeller pump. Open
> impeller pumps will handle more trash, but they are less efficient and
> more horsepower to deliver the pressure you need. For open impeller
> you might look into pacer pumps. They sell them in farm supplies around
> here. They make good cheap plastic pumps that hold up well (I don't know
> they make closed impeller pumps). Just make sure the pump will deliver
> pressure you need.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Donna &/or Kieran" <>
> To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 10:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Antitranspirants/Surround?
> > You all are not very encouraging re the antitranspirant I had bought for
> > some reason or other last fall. Have any of you used Surround in
> > I have read of it for dry climates to reduce evaporation, so I went
> > and sprayed some on tomato and bean plants while I waited for a call
> > from the company re "No Wilt". There is too little moisture in the soil
> > plants to grow. Some lucky bean plants are in a spot where leaves were
> > piled so nothing grew all last year and no weeds used the stockpiled
> > moisture this spring. These are about 4' high and blooming now. Other
> > beans came up and have stood there the same height for the last 6 weeks.
> > I've covered a lot of plants with nylon curtains to hold off the burning
> > and hold in humidity. I'm figuring that for those still exposed and
> > those partly covered, that turning the leaves white with Surround is
> > to help at least in reducing the surface temp of the leaves. With no
> > to wash it off, I don't mind using some of our precious 20 gallons or so
> > day to spray them.
> > Re Mark's comments on 'Wilt pruf": "The problem I have using it for
> > transplanting is that it eventually kills
> > the foliage. It still works OK though because by the time the sprayed
> > foliage starts to die, the plant starts
> > pushing up new growth." This is not at all what I had in mind, because
> > isn't transplant shock, there is no water to start new growth. I just
> > to slow evaporation enough that the veggie plants, and my roses and
> > trees, won't die in between the light showers we are now getting about
> > a month. At least, I hope we are still getting them twice a month as
> > been over 2 weeks now since we got that last 1/10 inch rainfall.
> > We are looking into something affordable that will pump 140 ft of
> > vertical head from the creek. Looks a like Shurflo 12V pump might do
> > We have one, but not a strong enough model to pump all the way to the
> > Everyone says we'd do best to step it anyway. Any advice would be
> > appreciated. Donna
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