[NAFEX] nafex Digest, Vol 54, Issue 11 Mulberry Cutting
Anthony Curcio
apc at vassolinc.com
Tue Jul 3 11:55:43 EDT 2007
Starting a new Mulberry tree ..
Each summer we make the rounds to pick Mulberries
to make syrup. We always pick a few to taste.
There is one tree that is consistently the best tasting and
has the largest berries. Does anyone have a couple of pointers
as to the best time and method to take a cutting to start a new tree?
Thank you, Anthony NW Illinois Z 4-5
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> 1. Re: Getting the word out WAS Re: NNGA membership declines
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> 3. Re: Getting the word out WAS Re: NNGA membership declines
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> 4. Re: Pig nut Hickory (Donna &/or Kieran)
> 5. Re: 2007 CRFG Festival Of Fruit (rob hamilton)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:43:03 -0400
> From: road's end farm <organic101 at linkny.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Getting the word out WAS Re: NNGA membership
> declines
> To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
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> On Jul 3, 2007, at 6:56 AM, loneroc wrote:
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>> If we at NAFEX want to arrest a declining membership and combat a lack
>> of
>> general societal interest in fruit growing, we must seek out people
>> who have
>> nothing to contribute (other than their ears/eyes) initially. We must
>> hook
>> people who have marginal initial interest in fruit and help to create
>> the
>> new experts who will take up the torch of the dead and dying
>> old-timers!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> A very good point.
>
> And how is anyone to know that they're interested in something that
> they've never been exposed to? None of us were born knowing any of
> this. I'm sure I'm not the only one who wound up a fruit (and, actually
> primarily right now, vegetable) grower due to almost accidental
> exposure.
>
> As others have posted, there's a huge amount of information available
> in the heads of older people; as well as in the genes of their
> plantings. Also as others have posted, there's a difficulty in getting
> this information transmitted, and the future care of the plants
> ensured. The difficulty is compounded by the fact that (with many
> exceptions) some of the people who have the information, and some of
> the people who could benefit from it and who are essential to prevent
> it from being lost, are currently using different means of
> communication.
>
> What is needed here is translators; and I note that several volunteers
> for this have posted on this also. What is not useful is for people, in
> either group. to put down and/or try to ignore the existence of those
> who prefer different communication methods than they themselves like to
> use. Why shouldn't we try to make it easy for everybody to join, and as
> easy as possible for everybody to communicate?
>
> Claude, thanks for apology. I'm sure we've all hit "send" without
> thinking of the possible impact of a particular line (and I was pretty
> groggy when I answered you, and hope I didn't come off as snarly.) And
> I do think subscription, as well as other communications, should be
> possible through as many means as is practical.
>
> --Rivka
> Finger Lakes NY; zone 5 mostly
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> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 07:58:15 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Deb Schneider <debs at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] membership decline
> To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org
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> I have three organizations I used to belong to that I no longer join.
> Biggest reason is that I have to hassle with printing out a membership
> form and sending a check! The one organization I am still a member of
> allows me to renew online using a credit card/debit card or Paypal.
>
> I'd guess that 75% or more of any organizations members ONLY PAY DUES and
> do not do anything much else. So discounting those folks as meaningless,
> is rather silly as that is a big chunk of money to keep the organization
> running. Those of us "lurking" members, are happy to support the group if
> it's made simple to do so.
>
> I also think that many organizations do not do a good job with websites.
> I am much more likely to be involved with an organization that has a high
> quality/high content well-functioning website. I would even prefer it to
> a paper newsletter. One of my former organizations decided to make their
> quarterly publication a glossy, full color deal. I skim it and toss it.
> I'd rather get it online and have it available on their (bare bones NOT
> glossy) website where I could access it when I want it without having to
> find a place to store it.
>
> Now the NAFEX Pomona is a lot of fun to get, but it would be tons more
> useful if it was accessible online to members with a searchable index.
> You give me all the back issues of Pomona online in this manner and let me
> renew online and I would pay a good sized membership fee to get this!
>
> deb
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> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 08:10:25 -0700 (PDT)
> From: rob hamilton <lostman_amiga at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Getting the word out WAS Re: NNGA membership
> declines
> To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
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> I do agree with you that we should accommodate people with all levels of
> interest.
> Also we have to consider people that come to nafex for different reasons.
> We have research people like Dr. Clark from Arkansas. Joseph Postman and
> Tom Beckman from USARS. I am sure we have a few extension agent as well (I
> want to really increase in the group). We have people who own small
> pick-your-own establishment, fruit tree nurseries (large and small).
> these people may not have the time to be active on the mailing list, but
> we do not want to forget about them.
>
> A paypal account doesnt seem like big issue and would add convenience.
> Having multiple ways of accessing information and doing the billing, I
> think is a good thing. This will be brought up at the meeting. We just
> need to consider all aspects. We have a new tax status now and we need to
> look over this issue as well as many others, so I am hardly in the
> position to say this will be done.
>
>
> "William C. Garthright" <billg at inebraska.com> wrote:
>> I don't think you lose anyone important if they can't be bothered to
>> write a check and stamp an envelope. If they aren't interested enough in
>> fruit trees to write out a check, I'm also quite sure they would have
>> nothing to contribute to NAFEX.
>>
>
>
> I suppose it depends on who you consider important. I have a lot of
> interests competing for my attention. I'm not young, but I'm a beginner
> at fruit growing. I'm enjoying it, but I'm not obsessed with it, to the
> exclusion of everything else. If you make it easy for me to join NAFEX,
> I'm sure I will. If not, I might get around to it and I might not. As I
> say, I have a LOT of interests, and NAFEX isn't the only group competing
> for my attention. Those that make it especially easy to join - and to
> renew - have a big advantage.
>
> Now, I'm sure I'm not "important" to the group, except that the whole
> point of this discussion was to increase membership. That means bringing
> in newbies like me - and younger newbies, in particular. They might
> indeed have "nothing to contribute to NAFEX" right now, except their
> questions. But if this is what you want, then you might as well accept a
> declining membership.
>
> Bill
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> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:13:20 -0500
> From: "Donna &/or Kieran" <holycow at cookeville.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Pig nut Hickory
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> Jerry,
> Thank you for this information, but the notion of pecans as rootstock
> is not much use to me as pecans don't like our dense clay soil. From what
> your bro-in-law says, I can assume that pecan is compatible with
> mockernut, but I can't assume anything else is. I have found that hicans
> graft well to mockernut. Next I need to just try shagbarks and pecans on
> it. I've stupidly been trying shagbarks on the pignuts the last two
> years, just checked some more grafts, every one of that combination
> failed, same as last year. I notice he doesn't even mention pignuts.
> I'm sure the terrible drought is a big part of my problem this year, as
> of the grafts and chipbuds done this year, 2 out of 2 pecans on pecan
> failed, 2 out of 3 Greenriver on bitternut failed, and 7 out of 8 BK on BK
> failed. I'm not sure I have any successes, the others are just not
> obviously dead. Oh, I did have a shellbark chipbud take on mockernut, but
> the bud died, so I have what looks like a very nice skin graft on that
> tree. I was careful to have white showing all around on the chipbuds,
> and wrapped them with damp newspaper and white plastic to keep the blazing
> sun from drying them out. By contrast, my pear grafts and buds have been
> mostly successful. One difference is that the pear rootstocks are in pots
> in the shade where I can water them, whereas the nut trees are scattered
> here and there taking their chances with the drought.
> We had right at 12" rain for the first 6 months, half our normal
> rainfall, on top of deficient rainfall the last 2 years. We actually got
> nearly 3" in June, and got to see the garden grow for a week or two as it
> should have been growing all along. Our pole bean plants had stayed 6
> inches tall for 6 weeks. I was trying to dig a hole in what had been a
> manure pile last year and hit something hard, not a rock, more like a tree
> root. I switched from a shovel to a mattock and found that the hard thing
> was the soil underneath the light fluffy compost. After digging out
> chunks of petrified clay soil, I decided to water a bit before digging the
> rest of the holes. These were for eggplants and peppers that I've kept in
> pots, covered with a nylon curtain and in a spot that gets afternoon sun.
> I was afraid to plant them till we got that rain in June. (My eggplants
> have never looked so good, no flea beetles to turn their leaves to lace.)
> Anyway, with such a terrible failure rate, I have been getting anxious
> to try to figure out what is wrong before I waste next spring as well. I
> am taking the last of the scions Lucky sent me and trying them any way I
> can think of. With water is probably not an option though. Donna
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> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 08:26:20 -0700 (PDT)
> From: rob hamilton <lostman_amiga at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] 2007 CRFG Festival Of Fruit
> To: benrpierce at cox.net, North American Fruit Explorers
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> Thanx for the post Ben.
> I plan to be there. I am looking for some people to hangout with for that
> first day nursery tour....
>
> Ben Pierce <benrpierce at cox.net> wrote: The 2007 California Rare Fruit
> Growers Festival Of Fruit will be held in San Diego this year on August
> 10-11. This is the year of the mango but we will have plenty of speakers
> representing temperate zone fruits. There will also be tours, vendors, and
> a fantastic Mexican dinner on Saturday night. For more information check
> out our website at http://festivaloffruit.org Thanks.
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