[NAFEX] Aronia x Sorbus ; Sorbus domestica
Mark and Piper
piper33 at verizon.net
Tue Jan 9 01:25:31 EST 2007
Just for the record, I have some Sorbus domestica seedlings in my garden.
They are 2 feet tall and 2 years old. I have tasted fruit from the mother
tree. Not for everyone, but an intersting flavor, like a ripe Flemish Beauty
pear with astringency.
-Mark Lee, Seattle
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hans Brinkmann" <hans-brinkmann at t-online.de>
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Aronia x Sorbus ; Sorbus domestica
> Hallo Lon,
> people who are interested in S. domestica are very rare...
> People who have such a nice homepage and experience like you are
> extremely rare!!!
> Regards also from Clive Simms from England!
> Yes the astringency is lost at a special time by it selves. Anyhow this
> astringency is also necessary and positive for the apple-wine
> production. The fruits are used also more and more in the fine cuisine
> cooking. Even as dessert and ice cream. The tree is very useful for
> landscaping and environmental purposes.
> The wood is really nice and very, very high priced because it is very
> much used in music-instrument, expensive furniture and e.g. ruler
> production; because the wood is not shrinking and expanding like other
> wood! I try to send you an interesting photo directly to your e-mail
> The grafting is not secret at all, but I think in many countries this
> Sorbus domestica is not known and people do not have any experience.
> The rootstock can be Crataegus monog. or Sorbus domestica! Never try S.
> aucuparia. But if you see my photo, you will understand, why I do never
> recommend Crataegus... (1 m diameter timber-log)!
> On S.domestica rootstock I graft usually in winter-days with heat but I
> tried it also once with a 1,5 m high growing rootstock outside in early
> spring with okulation and the new branch was growing additional 1 m the
> same year. I may answer you more detailed directly. E.g. walnut
> grafting is much less successful.
> Only one nursery in Germany is selling two different varieties. I
> collected some more selections. In future we should select also
> different taste/astringency, different time of harvesting and different
> growth of tree. This will be not too difficult, because the trees are
> varying very much. Some fruits are like peas and some like little
> pears or apples. We can give you - as Clive promised to you - any
> scions (also other trees) and if you need, I could give you also very
> small one year old bare root grafts. From most selections. If you need
> special varieties I could graft them additionally this season for you.
> Lon J. Rombough schrieb:
> > I have a row of Sorbus domestica seedlings started from seed collected
> > from some of the trees at Luther Burbank's plantings in Sebastopol,
> > California. Mine are extremely astringent, but any bump or bruise
> > triggers something in the fruit that gets rid of the astringency very
> > quickly. A bruised fruit becomes edible within a few hours, though the
> > flavor keeps changing if it sits for a full day or more.
> > I once discussed this tree with the late Larry McGraw of Sheep Rock,
> > Oregon who had a number of old seedlings. Larry was the most avid
> > fruit explorer I've ever met. He said the wood is hard enough to dull
> > an ax very quickly, and he could only grow the trees from seed. He had
> > never been able to graft them successfully. That fits with what I have
> > experienced. I would be interested to know how they are propagated in
> > Germany.
> > =Lon Rombough
> > Grapes, writing, consulting, my book, *The Grape Grower, *at
> > http://www.bunchgrapes.com Winner of the Garden Writers Association
> > "Best Talent in Writing" award for 2003.
> > On Jan 5, 2007, at 2:46 PM, Hans Brinkmann wrote:
> > Hallo Matt,
> > in general all the Aronia x Sorbus x Hybrids are 2 to 5m tall.
> > All berries looking more like Sorbus berries, but each have different
> > size,
> > color, juice and taste.
> > Edible Sorbus aucuparia like e.g. Konzentra or Rossina or Klosterneuburg
> > are important e.g for marmalade production in Europe since a long time.
> > Aronia x Sorbus hybrids fruits are at http://www.biotaimi.fi/
> > Then go to Pihlaja and finally to Pihlaja kasvatus-ja hoito - ohje
> > Information after clicking the first Pihlaja photo.
> > Nice page about Shipova : http://www.ars-grin.gov/cor/cool/sorbo.html
> > Do you know Sorbus domestica? It has 2 - 3 cm apple- or pear-shape
> > fruits.
> > Some old trees in Germany have logs of more than 1 m in diameter.
> > The wood is one of the most highly priced wood in Germany.
> > Fruits are a must for the apple-wine-production.
> > We have some cultivars in Germany.
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