[NAFEX] Ribes odoratum (Clove or Buffalo Currant)

Lon J. Rombough lonrom at hevanet.com
Fri Jan 5 08:54:04 EST 2007


You'd have to look up the botany of them.  I do know that I have a 
golden currant and the leaves are noticeably different, and the plants 
rarely set more than a very few fruits.  The Crandall was far better 
suited to my area.
-Lon Rombough
Grapes, writing, consulting, my book, The Grape Grower, at 
http://www.bunchgrapes.com  Winner of the Garden Writers Association 
"Best Talent in Writing" award for 2003.
On Jan 5, 2007, at 5:50 AM, Mark and Piper wrote:

Lon,
Both Ribes odoratum and Ribes aureum have a listed variety called 
golden currant. Are these two different things? The one I know as 
golden currant was growing wild in the mountains east of Boise.
-Mark
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lon J. Rombough
> To: North American Fruit Explorers
> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 5:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Ribes odoratum (Clove or Buffalo Currant)
>
> I got Crandall in the 1960's and grew it for many years by itself and 
> got full crops with no other currants around. I took stock of that 
> plant to Weeks' Berry Nursery in Salem, Oregon about 1980 and they 
> have been selling it for quite some time. They are wholesale only, so 
> you would have to find a garden center that would buy from them. They 
> have a website.
> I don't have it any more as I remove the row for a building and the 
> transplanted plants died due to a mishap.
> -Lon Rombough
> Grapes, writing, consulting, my book, The Grape Grower, at 
> http://www.bunchgrapes.com Winner of the Garden Writers Association 
> "Best Talent in Writing" award for 2003.
> On Jan 3, 2007, at 3:48 PM, William C. Garthright wrote:
>
> I appreciate all the comments about these native black currants (I've
> also seen them listed as Ribes aureum, var. 'Crandall'), but there are
> two things I wasn't able to determine last year (before I joined the
> NAFEX list). I planted some of these anyway, but could I get some help
> on these questions, please?
>
> 1. For best fruit production, do you prune them like other Ribes
> (remove three year and older stems)?
>
> 2. I received nothing but conflicting information about these plants.
> Several nurseries told me that the 'Crandall' variety of /Ribes
> odoratum/ (clove currant, buffalo currant, golden currant, etc.) would
> set fruit with just one plant. But the Missouri Botanical Garden says
> Ribes odoratum is dioecious, requiring both a male and a female plant 
> to
> set fruit. Apparently, this comes from the reference work, "A Manual of
> Woody Landscape Plants" by Michael A. Dirr.
>
> Does anyone here know for sure? Have you seen separate male and female
> plants? Or perhaps it's dioecious, but the female plants will still set
> "some" fruit without a male?
>
> At least one nursery told me that "cross-pollination" would increase
> fruit production, and that a Ribes nigrum type of black currant would
> work for that (and maybe other Ribes species?). If that's true,
> I suppose all these nurseries could be seeing fruit from Ribes odoratum
> because they have other Ribes planted nearby...
>
> I ended up buying from two different nurseries, but I was totally
> confused by then. So I planted 6 of the 'Crandall' currants and one
> seedling clove currant, just in case. But, of course, I don't know if
> the seedling currant is male or female, or even if they really ARE
> dioecious. Anyone know for sure?
>
> Thanks much,
>
> Bill
>
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