[NAFEX] nafex Digest, Vol 55, Issue 71 ( Doyle Balckberry Pruning, Anthony Curcio )

Anthony Curcio apc at vassolinc.com
Fri Aug 31 11:29:45 EDT 2007


Our Doyle BB's are growing fast.
They are also surviving the winters in NW,IL. Z4
The two plants we started with 3 years ago are now
a solid wall on the trellis yet few berry clusters.
We have mulched but not fertilized.
We asked the company about pruning but they
did not think it was necessary. Has anyone had
experience with pruning ? How much and what
time of year is best ?
Thanks Anthony, Nth. West Illinois Z 4

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>   3. Sending/Receiving seeds from outside US (Jim Fruth)
>   4. Re: Sending/Receiving seeds from outside US (Jwlehman at aol.com)
>   5. Re: Sending/Receiving seeds from outside US (S & E Hills)
>   6. Doyle Blackberry report (Pete Tallman)
>   7. Re: Sending/Receiving seeds from outside US (Michael Nave)
>   8. Re: Yuzu? (h black)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 06:58:35 -0500
> From: "Jim Fruth" <jfruth at tds.net>
> Subject: [NAFEX] Doyle Blackberry report
> To: "NAFEX" <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
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>    My Doyle (thornless) Blackberries are producing their first crop.  The
> berries are almost twice as large as Fort Kent's and I'm wondering if all
> will ripen before my first frost which usually happens in Mid-September.
> Now I'm wondering if they will produce after a normal Winter for this 
> area;
> this past winter the temperature got to -28;  -38 is not uncommon for my
> part of the Country.
>    The Doyle people said the plants do not produce suckers but mine are
> suckering like any other.
>
> Jim Fruth
> Brambleberry Farm
> Pequot Lakes, MN  56472
> For jams, jellies & syrups:
> www.bberryfarm.com
> (877)265-6856 [Store]
> (218)831-7018 [My Cell]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 08:35:30 -0400
> From: road's end farm <organic101 at linkny.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Sending/Receiving seeds from outside US
> To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
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> On Aug 30, 2007, at 11:50 PM, Steve wrote:
>
>>
>> They seem ready and willing to ship to US addresses:
>> http://solanaseeds.netfirms.com/instructions.html
>> I don't believe there are many regulations about shipping seeds.
>
> I think some countries outside the US ship to US addresses and others
> don't. The company may have obtained whatever approval is necessary;
> you could check with them.
>
>> About shipping seeds to outside the US, I'm sure there is no problem
>> sending them out. It would be up to the other country whether they have
>> rules about letting them in.
>>
> I would mark the outside of the package clearly with the contents
> ("live plant material: seeds" and the species). There certainly are
> seed borne diseases. Also, a plant common and no problem in some areas
> can be a hazardous invasive in other areas.
>
> It occurs to me that you could also check with the post office. They
> should know, or know where you can find out, about shipping seeds.
>
> --Rivka
> Finger Lakes NY; zone 5 mostly
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> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 07:27:21 -0500
> From: "Jim Fruth" <jfruth at tds.net>
> Subject: [NAFEX] Sending/Receiving seeds from outside US
> To: "NAFEX" <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
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>    I receive seeds from Canada with no problem.  Today I'll be sending an
> order to Czechoslovakia for some Actinidia kolomitka seeds that produce 2"
> fruits from NAFEX member Jan Kola.
>
> Jim Fruth
> Brambleberry Farm
> Pequot Lakes, MN  56472
> For jams, jellies & syrups:
> www.bberryfarm.com
> (877)265-6856 [Store]
> (218)831-7018 [My Cell]
>
> hangermayer at isp.com wrote:
>
>>Hi folks,
>>
>>I had a question I wonder if someone could help me with.  I have been
>>considering ordering some seeds from a company in Canada:
>>http://solanaseeds.netfirms.com/welcome.html
>>
>>My question is, is it legal for United States citizens to receive seeds
>>from
>>outside the U.S., through the mail?  I remember somebody posting an 
>>article
>>sometime back about a man who brought in some citrus scionwood from the
>>Orient in a suitcase and it was illegal (It turned out the wood had some
>>terrible disease and the guy was in big trouble).  Do seeds have to go
>>through customs?  Is there some agency that has to check them for 
>>diseases?
>>I know they are generally safer than scionwood, but still as I understand,
>>some diseases like plum pox can be communicated through seeds.
>>
>>Also can I legally send some of my seeds outside the U.S. via the postal
>>service?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Mark
>>Kansas
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 09:11:23 EDT
> From: Jwlehman at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Sending/Receiving seeds from outside US
> To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org
> Message-ID: <cd0.17ce1740.34096d7b at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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> In a message dated 8/30/2007 11:10:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> hangermayer at isp.com writes:
>
>>
>> My question is, is it legal for United States citizens to receive seeds 
>> from
>> outside the U.S., through the mail?  I remember somebody posting an 
>> article
>> sometime back about a man who brought in some citrus scionwood from the
>> Orient in a suitcase and it was illegal (It turned out the wood had some
>> terrible disease and the guy was in big trouble).  Do seeds have to go
>> through customs?  Is there some agency that has to check them for 
>> diseases?
>> I know they are generally safer than scionwood, but still as I 
>> understand,
>> some diseases like plum pox can be communicated through seeds.
>>
>> Also can I legally send some of my seeds outside the U.S. via the postal
>> service?
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> Yes, all incoming seeds must be inspected by the US Animal Plant Health
> Inspection Service (APHIS). There are some few exceptions. First you must 
> obtain an
> import permit from APHIS. Then the seeds go directly to APHIS with their
> Green and Yellow shipping label. If the material passes if is forwarded to 
> you for
> two years of quarantine growing, meaning you can't share the material with
> others for two years. You state inspector as the option to inspect the 
> plants if
> they desire. Some material such as Prunus bud wood must be grown in
> quarantine by the USDA in screened rooms at Beltsville, MD. I've had 
> material there for
> as long as 4 years before it was passed out clean. Infected material is
> incinerated.
>
> One exception is pre inspected material that is packaged for importation 
> into
> the US. Usually by large seed companies. Private individuals overseas and
> Canada usually aren't pre inspected.
>
> Can you legally send material overseas?
> Generally no, as I understand it. That all depends on agreements between 
> the
> countries. If you ship a package out of the country the post office and 
> other
> shippers will have you fill out a declarations form. If certain material 
> and
> to particular countries, the carriers refuse to accept it. FedEx, UPS and 
> USPS
> sticks strictly to the rules. But a foreign country can't prosecute you 
> for
> trying, I don't think.
>
> There are some exceptions to what I've written, If you really want to 
> import
> seeds contact me off line and I'll put you in contact with the proper 
> APHIS
> person to apply for an import permit. You also will need a letter from 
> your
> local state entomologist approving the importation and they counter sign 
> your
> application. APHIS will work with you, they are wonderful understanding 
> folks but
> you have to jump through hoops. They are paid with tax $$$ and are our
> servants.
>
> Jerry
>
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> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 09:39:50 -0500
> From: "S & E Hills" <ehills7408 at wowway.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Sending/Receiving seeds from outside US
> To: "'North American Fruit Explorers'" <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Does she have contact information?  (Jan Kola)
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Jim Fruth
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 7:27 AM
> To: NAFEX
> Subject: [NAFEX] Sending/Receiving seeds from outside US
>
>    I receive seeds from Canada with no problem.  Today I'll be sending an
> order to Czechoslovakia for some Actinidia kolomitka seeds that produce 2"
> fruits from NAFEX member Jan Kola.
>
> Jim Fruth
> Brambleberry Farm
> Pequot Lakes, MN  56472
> For jams, jellies & syrups:
> www.bberryfarm.com
> (877)265-6856 [Store]
> (218)831-7018 [My Cell]
>
> hangermayer at isp.com wrote:
>
>>Hi folks,
>>
>>I had a question I wonder if someone could help me with.  I have been
>>considering ordering some seeds from a company in Canada:
>>http://solanaseeds.netfirms.com/welcome.html
>>
>>My question is, is it legal for United States citizens to receive seeds
>>from
>>outside the U.S., through the mail?  I remember somebody posting an 
>>article
>>sometime back about a man who brought in some citrus scionwood from the
>>Orient in a suitcase and it was illegal (It turned out the wood had some
>>terrible disease and the guy was in big trouble).  Do seeds have to go
>>through customs?  Is there some agency that has to check them for 
>>diseases?
>>I know they are generally safer than scionwood, but still as I understand,
>>some diseases like plum pox can be communicated through seeds.
>>
>>Also can I legally send some of my seeds outside the U.S. via the postal
>>service?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Mark
>>Kansas
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 08:11:44 -0600
> From: "Pete Tallman" <pete_tallman at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [NAFEX] Doyle Blackberry report
> To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org
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> Jim Fruth asked whether Doyle blackberry would produce after a normal
> winter.
>
> If you read the fine print about Doyle, you'll find they are claimed to be
> hardy in zone 5 and below only if vines are covered for the winter. To me,
> that's not hardy, just excessive work.  I never got a crop without 
> covering.
> (Maybe one could get away with it if there is sufficient snow cover all
> winter.) And yes, they do sucker for me. I'm not quite rid of all of the
> plants and their suckers, but I'm still working on it. On the good side,
> they are, indeed, thornless.
>
> Pete Tallman
> Longmont, CO   zone 5
>
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>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 07:18:52 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Michael Nave <jmichaelnave at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Sending/Receiving seeds from outside US
> To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <831222.41228.qm at web50904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> APHIS now has a small seed lot import program. Here
> are the details:
>
> http://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/plants/plant_imports/smalllots_seed.shtml
>
> --- Jwlehman at aol.com wrote:
>
>> In a message dated 8/30/2007 11:10:38 PM Eastern
>> Daylight Time,
>> hangermayer at isp.com writes:
>>
>> >
>> > My question is, is it legal for United States
>> citizens to receive seeds from
>> > outside the U.S., through the mail?  I remember
>> somebody posting an article
>> > sometime back about a man who brought in some
>> citrus scionwood from the
>> > Orient in a suitcase and it was illegal (It turned
>> out the wood had some
>> > terrible disease and the guy was in big trouble).
>> Do seeds have to go
>> > through customs?  Is there some agency that has to
>> check them for diseases?
>> > I know they are generally safer than scionwood,
>> but still as I understand,
>> > some diseases like plum pox can be communicated
>> through seeds.
>> >
>> > Also can I legally send some of my seeds outside
>> the U.S. via the postal
>> > service?
>>
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> Yes, all incoming seeds must be inspected by the US
>> Animal Plant Health
>> Inspection Service (APHIS). There are some few
>> exceptions. First you must obtain an
>> import permit from APHIS. Then the seeds go directly
>> to APHIS with their
>> Green and Yellow shipping label. If the material
>> passes if is forwarded to you for
>> two years of quarantine growing, meaning you can't
>> share the material with
>> others for two years. You state inspector as the
>> option to inspect the plants if
>> they desire. Some material such as Prunus bud wood
>> must be grown in
>> quarantine by the USDA in screened rooms at
>> Beltsville, MD. I've had material there for
>> as long as 4 years before it was passed out clean.
>> Infected material is
>> incinerated.
>>
>> One exception is pre inspected material that is
>> packaged for importation into
>> the US. Usually by large seed companies. Private
>> individuals overseas and
>> Canada usually aren't pre inspected.
>>
>> Can you legally send material overseas?
>> Generally no, as I understand it. That all depends
>> on agreements between the
>> countries. If you ship a package out of the country
>> the post office and other
>> shippers will have you fill out a declarations form.
>> If certain material and
>> to particular countries, the carriers refuse to
>> accept it. FedEx, UPS and USPS
>> sticks strictly to the rules. But a foreign country
>> can't prosecute you for
>> trying, I don't think.
>>
>> There are some exceptions to what I've written, If
>> you really want to import
>> seeds contact me off line and I'll put you in
>> contact with the proper APHIS
>> person to apply for an import permit. You also will
>> need a letter from your
>> local state entomologist approving the importation
>> and they counter sign your
>> application. APHIS will work with you, they are
>> wonderful understanding folks but
>> you have to jump through hoops. They are paid with
>> tax $$$ and are our
>> servants.
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:02:23 -0500
> From: "h black" <hblack1925 at fastmail.fm>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Yuzu?
> To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Not sure what I have but it was labeled Yuzu.  They look like a small
> tangerine, yellow with thick rind.  The inside breaks into sections like a
> tangerine but tastes like lemon, but maybe not so sour.  Blossoms are very
> fragrant and cover the bush.  Hector Black zone 6 (bring 'em in for the
> winter) TN
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Diane Whitehead" <voltaire at islandnet.com>
> To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 8:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Yuzu?
>
>
>>
>> Is that the one that gets ripped apart and tossed in the bath?   I
>> was told it was not for eating - the flesh was skimpy-looking, but it
>> certainly perfumed the bathroom.
>>
>> Diane Whitehead
>>
>>
>>
>>
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