[NAFEX] Che(Cudrania tricuspidata )

Michael Nave jmichaelnave at yahoo.com
Thu Aug 30 16:53:00 EDT 2007


I currently have only one female che which produces
fruit without pollination. I used to have a male. The
fruit was smaller when I had the male tree and the
fruit produced seeds. This may have been because my
female tree was smaller then.



--- rob hamilton <lostman_amiga at yahoo.com> wrote:

> This is one of these odd plants that have kind of
> peek my interest. Mine are just beginning to color
> up.
> 
> After the presentation on Che/Mulberries at the past
> NAFEX meeting, I asked Dr. AJ Bullard about select
> varieties and he said that he had eight different
> selections and none had any real size or taste
> difference. He also stated that in the early 1900s
> attempts were made to cross Osage orange with with
> Che the results were a larger fruit, but Osage
> orange taste. He did not mention any other work. It
> would be interesting to continue to back cross the
> fruit with Che to see what develops. The Che is not
> a strong flavored fruit, so any bitter resinous
> Osage flavor would stand out. Now if one could breed
> mulberry with with Che, then we have something shout
> about!
> 
> As far as grafting, I have tried this year to graft
> Che to Morus alba. It seemed to have taken, but the
> late freeze killed it. Dr Bullard mentioned that his
> mulberry/Che  graft took, but eventually aborted. 
> This MAY mean that there might be mulberries with
> longer or complete compatibility. I am not sure if
> this would offer any more advantage over Osage
> orange though.  One of the problems he spoke of in
> his presentation was that long term the Osage Orange
> trunk out grows the Che and splits off (15-20
> years). I would assume the mulberry would be even
> quicker (unless one uses the dwarf mulberry) 
> 
> This being said, there are other Moraceae that one
> could play around with in grafting and breeding, I
> ran across a few lesser fruits from Brazil in a book
> that family that looked alot like Osage orange. I
> plan to get this book soon and can post more info. 
> I would love to have the space to really play with
> this plant.
> (who am I kidding who has the patience)
> 
> Of what I gather little is still understood about
> this plant. The Che can change sex from one year to
> the next.  Some nurseries sell a true "seedless"
> plant. some say you need two for pollination (which
> of what I gather is untrue. I got lots of fruit this
> year with one plant). Yet I dont know if anyone can
> really stand by these statements.
> 
> I am curious about the size of fruits with
> pollination. I am told the seeds are small and
> crunchy, so their not a bother.  If the size of the
> fruits dramatically increased, it would be worth
> getting another.
> 
> Robert
> 
> 
> bill dality <namtoo at yahoo.com> wrote: Is Cudrania
> tricuspidata  graft compatible on Morus alba ...or
> vice versa?
>   Does anyone have a selection of this fruit
> (Chinese melon berry) wch is exceptional in fruit
> size or fruit quality.
>   I gather from Jerry's comment that the pollinated
> fruit is significantly larger than the unpollinated
> (seedless) fruit.
>  
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>   From Jerry Lehman:
>    
>   Growing here zone 5b central West  Indiana is one
> Chinese melon berry, Che also spelled Chi. It fruits
> almost every year and as I don't have a male it is
> small and seedless. Fruits are bright red when ripe,
> and taste like mulberry and melon. Haven't seen a
> problem with winter damage here. 
> 
> Jerry
> 
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