Tom, I use a rounded soda fountain spoon of raw berries or two tablespoons of jelly. The jelly is alot more palatable. It doesn't work 100% but it helps, mostly relieving mild sciatic pain and taking the edge off severe pain. I don't make wine so couldn't guess. Jim Fruth Pequot Lakes, MN How much is a "dose" of elderberry? (fresh and wine/juice)? thanks, Tom