[NAFEX] converted willingly

Regina Kreger regina at kreger.net
Thu Oct 28 13:21:07 EDT 2004


Bruce,

Lisa is not the only one who finds your message insulting, arrogant, uncalled for, and really quite unpleasant. I chose not to respond, initially, because I found myself unable to do so without being equally unpleasant in turn.

Regina

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Hansen" <brucedhansen at sbcglobal.net>
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: RE: [NAFEX] converted willingly
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:52:23 -0400

> 
> Lisa:
> 
> My goodness. The truth is often considered an insult. So be it. I am not her
> to motivate you or anyone. NAFEX could use a little money. It doesn't matter
> if you send free memberships to France as long as NAFEX has your money. Pick
> anyone and send their membership data and the grand amount of $13.00 to
> Jackie.
> 
> Some of us are trying to be responsible and address the issue. Since you
> know how to graft why not graft a few trees and donate them to others for a
> donation to NAFEX. Perhaps you have other ideas?
> 
> NAFEX is going to use the money to pay their bills. Simple.
> 
> Bruce
> 
> 
> 
> ---Original Message-----
> From: nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of Lisa Almarode
> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 5:22 PM
> To: North American Fruit Explorers
> Subject: RE: [NAFEX] converted willingly
> 
> 
> This is uncalled for.  Do you think that being
> insulted like this is somehow going to motivate us?
> 
> I do not object to paying somewhat higher dues; I'd
> love the fruits on cards like CFRG has; I am working
> on my article.  I will not buy a guest membership for
> a stranger, that makes no sense to me - why not just
> donate money directly?  I don't need more apple trees
> (since I learned to graft, I have too many); if
> someone offers something I could use, I'll happily
> bid.  You also apparently think we should only ask
> what the money will be used for after having donated:
> you can't be serious about that.
> 
> Lisa in Ashland Oregon
> 
> 
> --- Bruce Hansen <brucedhansen at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> > Taking Heron's point, NAFEX members have duties and
> > responsibilities. One of
> > the responsibilities is to fund your organization. I
> > realize that those on
> > the list-serv represent about 10% of the membership,
> > perhaps less. Many on
> > the list-serv are not members. It appears that all
> > you folk do is talk and
> > talk and talk, yawn! You never do anything,
> > apparently. Asking y'all for
> > $10.00 to NAFEX is like lying on your back and
> > spitting at the stars. I
> > asked that each of us purchase three memberships for
> > others. Wow $39.00!!
> > You would think you were asking for $39,000.00. What
> > a bunch of tight-wads.
> > Shame on you!! I even had one person state "I do not
> > know anyone who would
> > want a membership". Egads!! Use your telephone
> > directory. Pick three people
> > at random who have fruit-like last names and buy
> > them a membership. Another
> > person wanted to know what the money would be used
> > for. What kind of a
> > question is that when, to all intents and purposes,
> > no one will contribute
> > one red cent?
> >
> > Perhaps we are lucky that most of you won't write
> > letters for POMONA. Why
> > expose the rest of the membership, who find using
> > computers demeaning, to
> > selfish and self centered attitudes.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
> > [mailto:nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of
> > Charles Paradise
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 12:58 AM
> > To: North American Fruit Explorers
> > Subject: Re: [NAFEX] converted willingly
> >
> >
> > Writing article is a little like preparing a
> > lecture, then getting up and
> > delivering it while everybody else listens.
> >
> > A round-robin is more like a note we passed around
> > in class while the
> > teacher was out of the room.  ["Did you watch Outer
> > Limits last night?"
> > "Let's go to Andy's after school]
> >
> > I haven't written enough articles for Pomona - why
> > can't we used this email
> > form here to show our work at its current state and
> > ask the others to
> > respond helpfully to help us finish our stuff up so
> > it can be submitted?
> >
> > Charlie Paradise
> > out of ink in Massachusetts
> >
> > Heron Breen wrote:
> >
> > there is a place for an on-line
> >
> > > Pomona. Taking it a step further, I think if we
> > can create a round-robin
> > effect,
> > > such as Lon describes as the original intent of
> > Pomona by looking
> > presenting what
> > > is discussed on the list as discussion points for
> > members, and also
> > seriously
> > > looking at what non-list letters bring up, we can
> > comment on each other. I
> > guess I
> > > am grasping to integrate the two, and still keep
> > the focus to diversify
> > and lengthn
> > > Pomona. How to increase involvement...how to get
> > folks to
> > participate....Can't
> > > force anyone to write, but I am still intrigued by
> > the old requirement
> > that writing
> > > was the duty of members.
> >
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