[NAFEX] Quest(s) for edible trifoliate orange.
mrtejas at lycos.com
Sat May 24 19:56:08 EDT 2003
I have an edible citrange about 3 feet tall. A friend discovered it in a batch of flying dragon seedlings. It is a likely cross of flying dragon trifoliate with an unknown sweet orange. The tree is a ringer for flying dragon with all the fishhook style thorns, the fruit is seedless and edible as a lime substitute. One wag has named it dragon lime.
--------- Original Message ---------
DATE: Sun, 11 May 2003 22:26:22
From: list at ginda.us
To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
>That's very interesting. Lots of people have written about how you
>can't even use trifoliate in a hybrid because the flavor is so
>terrible. It sounds like this might be a good source for breeding
>stock for an edible hybrid between trifoliate and something that tastes
>good. It might not be as good as what you can grow in the south, but
>as you say. . .
>My meyers lemon produced really tasty fruits this year, despite never
>getting really hot weather. It actually ripened them in the house over
>the winter. Maybe also good breeding stock?
>On Sunday, May 11, 2003, at 09:19 PM, Moyer, Richard wrote:
>> Jim Nottke wrote:
>> Please let me know if you find a source of Satsuma budwood - I'd like
>> try them high on a few of the 1100 trifoliate orange that I have here
>> Winston-Salem, NC. My oldest tree is about 60 years old and 25 feet
>> Phil Sauber wrote:
>> Trifoliate orange fruit is definitely inedible and one would be
>> dreaming to
>> think you could make marmalade with it, it is so full of seeds there
>> isn't a
>> teaspoon of pulp per fruit!
>> My response:
>> Here in Zone 6 East Tenn, beggars can't be choosers for citrus. Hence
>> growing trifoliate from edge of Augusta National Golf Course, former
>> site of
>> Fruitland Nursery, founded by Berkman family about 1840. Around 1845,
>> Berkman imported chinese trifoliate, according to M. Dirr, Manual of
>> Landscape Plants. I presume the plants still there are seedlings of
>> original. As for taste, my kids eat them and ask for more, though
>> they do
>> enjoy sour items.
>> Many (most?) trifoliate are extremely bitter, easily inducing nausea.
>> from Augusta source is not, though other's I've tried had me on the
>> verge of
>> vomiting. Augusta fruit still about the size of a golf ball to larger,
>> seedy, gummy, but still with recognizable citrus flavor. (Folks in
>> Zone 9,
>> I sense your laughter, derision and pity.)
>> Adam and Sue Turtle and Hidden Springs are two locations I know of
>> for edible types and coldhardiness.
>> Jim Nottke, fascinated in what you've observed with 1100?? trifoliate
>> Winston-Salem over the years.
>> As for size, Ethan N. noted a source in Houston of much larger
>> fruit, at least the size of tennis ball, if I recall correctly.
>> Phil, as for processing the fruit for marmalade, gumminess seems to be
>> problem over size and seediness. Donna Hudson and Lon Rombough have
>> commented on the gumminess problem in a thread several years ago.
>> Though March freeze wiped out our early trifoliate blooms, we still
>> have a
>> few dozen fruit from later blooms on two trees, with several more too
>> to bloom. These trees are hardy above ground well below zero without
>> protection; Hector Black noted bloom and fruit after -17 F. Our bigger
>> problem is late March/April freezes. Jim, do you have any with higher
>> Would enjoy any and all input on edible trifoliate production in Zone
>> Richard Moyer
>> Zone 6, East Tenn, 1800'
>> Strawberry season!
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