[nafex] Digest Number 1024

Sam Franc franc at oregonfast.net
Sat Mar 9 23:29:57 EST 2002


They are hard when raw.
You roast them to eat them.
Not much good raw.
Sam

Pete Benfield wrote:

>  Hi Group
> I planted 2 Chinese chestnut seedlings from Mellingers' last fall. No
> sign
> of growth yet...I am in z 8b about 50 Mi north of New Orleans. Think
> they
> will do any good?
> I have never eaten a chestnut , nor have I seen any nuts that were any
> good
> around here.(no meat or they were hard as rocks)
> Also: when I get the email updates, many , many e mails are
> enclosed....even
> the old ones....is this thing working correctly....do you all get a
> long
> list of e mails also ?
> Thanks , Pete  (NAFEX)
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> Topics in this digest:
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>       1. Re: chestnuts
>            From: mIEKAL <dtv at mwt.net>
>       2. RE: Re: chestnuts
>            From: "Erdman, Jim" <erdmanj at uwstout.edu>
>       3. hardiness map for Japan
>            From: Scott & Lorena Breneman <buretachi at juno.com>
>       4. Re: Re: chestnuts
>            From: mIEKAL <dtv at mwt.net>
>       5. outreach
>            From: mIEKAL <dtv at mwt.net>
>       6. Re: Next Pomona Gathering editor
>            From: "victoria l. caron" <vicaron at gis.net>
>       7. Re: Biological pest control
>            From: Joe and Ellen Hecksel <jhecksel at voyager.net>
>       8. Invasive species, slightly off-topic
>            From: Joe and Ellen Hecksel <jhecksel at voyager.net>
>       9. Re: Next Pomona Gathering editor
>            From: jakuehn at yourinter.net
>      10. Re: Re: chestnuts
>            From: jakuehn at yourinter.net
>      11. Re: Re: chestnuts
>            From: "Dr. Chiranjit Parmar" <parmarch at vsnl.com>
>      12. Re: hardiness map for Japan
>            From: "Dr. Chiranjit Parmar" <parmarch at vsnl.com>
>      13. Re: Re: chestnuts
>            From: "Gordon Nofs" <gc_nofs at hotmail.com>
>      14. Musser Forest toll free
>            From: "Gordon Nofs" <gc_nofs at hotmail.com>
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> Message: 1
>    Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 09:32:28 -0600
>    From: mIEKAL <dtv at mwt.net>
> Subject: Re: chestnuts
>
> > DocKW at aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Although I know of people claiming to have chestnuts in Maine, I
> believe
> they
> > > have microclimates that allow these to survive in this northerly
> climate;
> > > perhaps they are coastal.  In my reading I believe the native
> American
> > > Chestnut was growing as far north as northern Massachusetts.
>
> there is a native stand of chestnuts unaffected by the blight, in the
> experimental forest outside of LaCrosse, WI....  without a doubt we
> are hard
> core zone 4.  I still havent wandered over there to see them, shame on
> me.
> mIEKAL
>
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> Message: 2
>    Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 09:49:48 -0600
>    From: "Erdman, Jim" <erdmanj at uwstout.edu>
> Subject: RE: Re: chestnuts
>
> There is a chestnut tree in downtown Durand, cold edge of zone 4,
> (except
> that it is in town not too far from the river) that we have gotten a
> few
> nuts to plant from in past years.  Most years we aren't lucky enough
> to get
> there when the nuts are still on the ground.
> Did I read something about blight or other problems in the grove near
> LaCrosse in the last couple of years, or was that another grove in
> Wis?
>
> Jim Erdman, in Menomonie, WI
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mIEKAL
> To: nafex at yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 3/8/02 9:32 AM
> Subject: [nafex] Re: chestnuts
>
> > DocKW at aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Although I know of people claiming to have chestnuts in Maine, I
> believe they
> > > have microclimates that allow these to survive in this northerly
> climate;
> > > perhaps they are coastal.  In my reading I believe the native
> American
> > > Chestnut was growing as far north as northern Massachusetts.
>
> there is a native stand of chestnuts unaffected by the blight, in the
> experimental forest outside of LaCrosse, WI....  without a doubt we
> are
> hard
> core zone 4.  I still havent wandered over there to see them, shame on
>
> me.  mIEKAL
>
>
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> Message: 3
>    Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:29:29 EST
>    From: Scott & Lorena Breneman <buretachi at juno.com>
> Subject: hardiness map for Japan
>
> Does anyone know if there is a hardiness zone map for Japan?  Thanks.
>
> Scott in PA
>
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> Message: 4
>    Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 10:06:44 -0600
>    From: mIEKAL <dtv at mwt.net>
> Subject: Re: Re: chestnuts
>
> If Durand is near Menominee I would call that zone 3, or at least it
> was
> zone
> 3 until the last 10 years or so.  I dont know much about the
> particular
> stand
> in the experimental forest other than Ive run into it in a number of
> references in various literatures.  Why I havent gone & tried to find
> some
> nuts, I dunno.  Its a beautiful woods that's is barely used.
>
> mIEKAL
>
>
>
> "Erdman, Jim" wrote:
>
> > There is a chestnut tree in downtown Durand, cold edge of zone 4,
> (except
> > that it is in town not too far from the river) that we have gotten a
> few
> > nuts to plant from in past years.  Most years we aren't lucky enough
> to
> get
> > there when the nuts are still on the ground.
> > Did I read something about blight or other problems in the grove
> near
> > LaCrosse in the last couple of years, or was that another grove in
> Wis?
> >
> > Jim Erdman, in Menomonie, WI
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mIEKAL
> > To: nafex at yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: 3/8/02 9:32 AM
> > Subject: [nafex] Re: chestnuts
> >
> > > DocKW at aol.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Although I know of people claiming to have chestnuts in Maine, I
>
> > believe they
> > > > have microclimates that allow these to survive in this northerly
>
> > climate;
> > > > perhaps they are coastal.  In my reading I believe the native
> > American
> > > > Chestnut was growing as far north as northern Massachusetts.
> >
> > there is a native stand of chestnuts unaffected by the blight, in
> the
> > experimental forest outside of LaCrosse, WI....  without a doubt we
> are
> > hard
> > core zone 4.  I still havent wandered over there to see them, shame
> on
> > me.  mIEKAL
>
>
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> Message: 5
>    Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 10:11:22 -0600
>    From: mIEKAL <dtv at mwt.net>
> Subject: outreach
>
> Just wanted to report that I went to the Midwest Organic Farming
> Conference & met a number of fruit & nut crazies who all new of nafex
> but had no idea that we're up on the net as a mailing list.  They all
> seemed very excited & amazed that such a resource list existed,
> especially when I told them how quick response time can be for
> specific
> questions.  My feeling is that there is a lot of folks out there like
> the ones I met who havent really entered the digital age yet, who
> would
> love to join the list if only they new about it.   Both of the folks I
>
> met had some great stories to talk about & one guy had 3 year old paw
> paws outside of Ashland, near Lake Superior.  mIEKAL
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>    Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 12:26:43 +0000
>    From: "victoria l. caron" <vicaron at gis.net>
> Subject: Re: Next Pomona Gathering editor
>
> To my knowledge, no one volunteered to gather for the summer issue. I
> have
> received several letters that I am forwarding to Jackie.
> ................vic
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> lostman_amiga wrote:
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> > I cant seem to find the last issue.
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>    Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 14:06:35 -0500
>    From: Joe and Ellen Hecksel <jhecksel at voyager.net>
> Subject: Re: Biological pest control
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> Victor Patterson wrote:
>
> > Joe:
> >     I would also like an effective nontoxic control of curculio, at
> what
> > stage in the life cycle is S. riobravis used?
>
>
> No information available.  Sorry.  Other sites list nematodes as most
> effective against larval stages as they are repelled by compounds in
> beetle feces.  Nematodes can still enter adults via the breathing
> ports
> (spiracles) but must somehow pole vault up to them.
>
> Reading between the lines, I suspect curculio most vulnerable when
> larvae leave fruit and drop to ground to pupate(sp?).  One problem
> with
> S. riobravis is that it likes it *very* warm.  The smart money would
> probably use a mix of several types of nematodes.  You are still out
> of
> luck regarding adult curculio that migrate in from wild trees or
> neighboring lots.
>
> >Is your information from
> > published studies or ongoing research?
>
>
> Ooops.  My "research" is reviewing internet content.  "Research" is
> really too grand of a word.  As an aside, this is a detour I took
> while
> helping my sixth grader search for a science fair project.
> Bioluminescence in target pests due to Heterorhabditidae bacteriophora
>
> is the leading contender for the project.
>
>
> Unfortunately, the site listed in the original post
> http://www.agrobiologicals.com/scope.html
> does not use straight HTML so you cannot drill through the site by
> listing a simple address.
>
> -Click Pest Control - Other
> -Target Pest
> -Scroll down to Curculionidae
> -Curculio spp. listed under subcatagories/S. riobravis listed under
> Target Pest section
>
>
> The site simply lists Curculio ssp
>
> Good luck!
>
>
> >Where could I get a copy of the
> > research?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Victor
> >
>
>
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> Message: 8
>    Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 16:07:47 -0500
>    From: Joe and Ellen Hecksel <jhecksel at voyager.net>
> Subject: Invasive species, slightly off-topic
>
> Hi All:
>
>
> There is a book Alien Invasion by Robert Devine.  The last chapter has
> a
> list of the characteristics that many invasive plant species share.
> The
> author notes that the list is not definitive.  Species can be invasive
>
> in one ecosystem but be well behaved in others.  Generally, plants are
>
> more invasive in warmer climates.
>
> The characteristics listed are:
> -Seeds germinate with no special pretreatment
> -Species can reproduce asexually
> -Seeds produced copiously
>
> A few personal observations.
> -Invasive species often have wind borne seeds or fruit that birds
> relish.
> -Many native species qualify as invasive (box elder, cottonwood).
> -Invasiveness can mean that new species hybridizes freely with native
> species/strains.
> -Many of the features that make a species invasive (robust growth,
> freedom from pests, ease of propagation) make them valuable domestic
> plants.
> -Homo sapiens are the most invasive species of all.
>
>
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> Message: 9
>    Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 21:12:43 -0500
>    From: jakuehn at yourinter.net
> Subject: Re: Next Pomona Gathering editor
>
> I'm the next one, for the Summer 02 issue.  By the way, the fall issue
> is
> open for a good (or just a willing) gathering editor.
>
> Jackie Kuehn
> PO Box 29
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> us.
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> Thanks!
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> Jackie
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> lostman_amiga wrote:
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> Message: 10
>    Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 21:15:58 -0500
>    From: jakuehn at yourinter.net
> Subject: Re: Re: chestnuts
>
> A local nursery which advertises nationally, Musser Forests, sells
> American
> chestnuts.  I have two of theirs growing in my yard; only about 3
> years
> old, but doing well.  Time will tell if they're resistant, or if we're
> in a
> blight-free pocket here in northwestern PA (zone 5), or if they will
> succumb to the disease.  It's worth a try, though!
>
> Jackie Kuehn
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> Message: 11
>    Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:56:17 +0530
>    From: "Dr. Chiranjit Parmar" <parmarch at vsnl.com>
> Subject: Re: Re: chestnuts
>
> Dear Mrs. Kuehn,
>
> Please send me the e-mail and postal address of Musser Forests.  I
> want to
> get in touch with them.
>
> How aws your trip to India.  You did not write me after that.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Dr. Chiranjit Parmar
> Horticultural Consultant on Lesser Known Indian Plants
> www.lesserknownplants.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jakuehn at yourinter.net>
> To: <nafex at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 7:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Re: chestnuts
>
>
> > A local nursery which advertises nationally, Musser Forests, sells
> American chestnuts.  I have two of theirs growing in my yard; only
> about 3
> years
> > old, but doing well.  Time will tell if they're resistant, or if
> we're in
> a blight-free pocket here in northwestern PA (zone 5), or if they will
>
> > succumb to the disease.  It's worth a try, though!
> >
> > Jackie Kuehn
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 12
>    Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 10:05:09 +0530
>    From: "Dr. Chiranjit Parmar" <parmarch at vsnl.com>
> Subject: Re: hardiness map for Japan
>
> You may contact Prof. Hiroshi Yamamura at hs-yama at 4.dion.ne.jp .  He
> may be
> able to provide one.
>
> Dr. Chiranjit Parmar
> Horticultural Consultant on Lesser Known Indian Plants
> www.lesserknownplants.com
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> To: <nafex at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 4:59 AM
> Subject: [nafex] hardiness map for Japan
>
>
> > Does anyone know if there is a hardiness zone map for Japan?
> Thanks.
> >
> > Scott in PA
> >
> >
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> Message: 13
>    Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 09:35:47 -0500
>    From: "Gordon Nofs" <gc_nofs at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Re: chestnuts
>
> www.musserforests.com
>
> Gordon==============================
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>
> ----Original Message Follows----
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> Reply-To: nafex at yahoogroups.com
> To: <nafex at yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Re: chestnuts
> Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:56:17 +0530
>
> Dear Mrs. Kuehn,
>
> Please send me the e-mail and postal address of Musser Forests.  I
> want to
> get in touch with them.
>
> How aws your trip to India.  You did not write me after that.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Dr. Chiranjit Parmar
> Horticultural Consultant on Lesser Known Indian Plants
> www.lesserknownplants.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jakuehn at yourinter.net>
> To: <nafex at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 7:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Re: chestnuts
>
>
> > A local nursery which advertises nationally, Musser Forests, sells
> American chestnuts.  I have two of theirs growing in my yard; only
> about 3
> years
> > old, but doing well.  Time will tell if they're resistant, or if
> we're in
> a blight-free pocket here in northwestern PA (zone 5), or if they will
>
> > succumb to the disease.  It's worth a try, though!
> >
> > Jackie Kuehn
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 14
>    Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 09:37:18 -0500
>    From: "Gordon Nofs" <gc_nofs at hotmail.com>
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> Reply-To: nafex at yahoogroups.com
> To: <nafex at yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Re: chestnuts
> Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:56:17 +0530
>
> Dear Mrs. Kuehn,
>
> Please send me the e-mail and postal address of Musser Forests.  I
> want to
> get in touch with them.
>
> How aws your trip to India.  You did not write me after that.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Dr. Chiranjit Parmar
> Horticultural Consultant on Lesser Known Indian Plants
> www.lesserknownplants.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jakuehn at yourinter.net>
> To: <nafex at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 7:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Re: chestnuts
>
>
> > A local nursery which advertises nationally, Musser Forests, sells
> American chestnuts.  I have two of theirs growing in my yard; only
> about 3
> years
> > old, but doing well.  Time will tell if they're resistant, or if
> we're in
> a blight-free pocket here in northwestern PA (zone 5), or if they will
>
> > succumb to the disease.  It's worth a try, though!
> >
> > Jackie Kuehn
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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