[nafex] Re: low acid apple

Thomas Olenio tolenio at sentex.net
Fri Aug 3 10:13:42 EDT 2001


Hi,

That would be the U.S. government.  I am allowed to poke at them as I am a
U.S. citizen. (smile)

Regards,
Tom

--
Thomas Olenio
Ontario, Hardiness Zone 6a

On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Larry Stark wrote:

> Would that be the US or the Canadian government?
> Larry Stark
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Thomas Olenio <tolenio at sentex.net>
>     To: nafex at yahoogroups.com <nafex at yahoogroups.com>
>     Date: Friday, August 03, 2001 8:55 AM
>     Subject: Re: [nafex] Re: low acid apple
>
>
>     Hi,
>
>     Have to chime in on the salt issue.
>
>     I have read that recent studies indicate that salt is not the "bad guy"
>     that the governmnet has painted it to be for the past 50 years.  However,
>     the government is so invested and entrenched in it's own hype it refuses
>     to change it's postion.
>
>     Guess they figure if they admit they have been wrong for 50 years we will
>     wonder what else they are wrong about. (smile)
>
>     Ciao for now,
>     Tom
>
>     --
>     Thomas Olenio
>     Ontario, Hardiness Zone 6a
>
>     On Fri, 3 Aug 2001 edforest55 at hotmail.com wrote:
>
>     > My first impression was Lodi also, due to the color and the blandness
>     > of the yellow ones. I personally like green Lodi apples eaten fresh,
>     > when they have a bit of tartness and texture to them.
>     > We used to eat green apples with salt when I was a young boy despite
>     > my mother's warning that the salt was a bad idea. They sure were good
>     > though, these days I have to agree with my mother about the salt.
>     >
>     > Kevin B
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > --- In nafex at y..., "David Doud" <doudone at n...> wrote:
>     > > Possibly 'Lodi' - an 'improved' Transparent introduced because it's
>     > slightly
>     > > earlier and bigger - tip-off is that it didn't lose its shape in
>     > cooking -
>     > > Transparent cooks into a very smooth sauce quickly - Lodi does not
>     > and is
>     > > therefore a source of dissapointment to people when misrepresented
>     > as
>     > > Transparent -
>     > > ----- Original Message -----
>     > > From: "Kieran or Donna" <redherring at t...>
>     > > To: <nafex at y...>
>     > > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 2:45 PM
>     > > Subject: [nafex] Re: low acid apple
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > > I got a call from a little old lady last week asking me to come
>     > pick some
>     > > > apples.  I'd picked up apples from under another apple tree in
>     > her yard a
>     > > > few years ago, and
>     > > > well, you know how us NAFEXers can entertain people, so naturally
>     > she
>     > > > thought of me when the other tree outdid itself this year. I
>     > could hardly
>     > > > put a foot down under the tree without stepping on apples.  I
>     > tasted one,
>     > > > and
>     > > > my first thought  was, "This is a pretty sorry excuse for an
>     > apple."  I
>     > > > tried a few more, from slightly yellow to mostly green, (it
>     > doesn't change
>     > > > color much) and still there was no acid, and not much taste.  I
>     > picked up
>     > > > about 5 gallons of them off the ground, and by the time I was
>     > done, I was
>     > > > thinking I'd make some bland wine to blend with the plum wine I'd
>     > started,
>     > > > to tone down the acid a bit, and I'd make some cobblers and pies
>     > that for
>     > > > once my husband could not complain about being too sour.  They'd
>     > be good
>     > > in
>     > > > curries too, so we had to stop at our friends house and get some
>     > nice
>     > > > organic beefalo for the curry.  I gave them a bunch of apples,
>     > and she got
>     > > > out the salt.  I never ate salt on apples, and had to admit it
>     > was good.
>     > > > She gave me a bunch of eggplant from another old lady, and we
>     > headed home,
>     > > > my head teaming with recipe ideas.
>     > > >        I've read that the point of the sweet nonacid apples was
>     > to cut
>     > > down
>     > > > on the need for sugar.  I think they could simply serve as a
>     > substitute
>     > > for
>     > > > sugar. The curry was great, and my husband loved the cobbler I
>     > made.  I
>     > > > myself ate 5 apples raw (with salt) before breakfast this
>     > morning, and at
>     > > > least that
>     > > > many while cooking yesterday.  They aren't all that big, but I
>     > don't know
>     > > of
>     > > > any other apples I would eat that many of.  They don't have all
>     > that much
>     > > > taste, they aren't real crisp, but don't get mushy (don't lose
>     > shape in
>     > > > cooking either) and they are pretty juicy.  I got to thinking
>     > about some
>     > > > NAFEXer up north who had an article in Pomona offering an apple
>     > he had
>     > > > raised.  He said it
>     > > > wasn't a high flavored apple, was not at all striking, but that a
>     > person
>     > > > could easily eat 3-5 of them without thinking about it.  This
>     > apple is
>     > > like
>     > > > that, though I expect his is better.  Another advantage of this
>     > one is a
>     > > > nice thin skin that's fine to leave on in cooking, like the
>     > summer apples
>     > > > have.  It's only been 36 hours, and already my
>     > > > opinion has changed 180 degrees.  I actually think I know where
>     > there are
>     > > 3
>     > > > more trees of it, I picked a few apples off the ground a few
>     > years ago,
>     > > and
>     > > > was not a bit impressed, especially as
>     > > > the first year they were a bit bitter.  I remember the owners
>     > were really
>     > > > proud of the trees, and I thought they were crazy.  I thought the
>     > only
>     > > > reason such trees would have been planted would be for blending
>     > for hard
>     > > > cider.
>     > > >     Now I am wondering if maybe I ought to graft a tree for
>     > myself.
>     > > Another
>     > > > nice thing about it is that it's coming on during that lull
>     > between the
>     > > > early and the late apples. I don't see any CAR on the tree, not
>     > that that
>     > > > means much in town.  They do have some apple maggot, which
>     > surprises me,
>     > > > because though I do find them here, I don't notice them all that
>     > often.  I
>     > > > wonder, do they tend to hit only apples from a certain time of
>     > year, or
>     > > can
>     > > > they get all varieties from early to late?  I don't see any
>     > codling moth,
>     > > > but that too is hit or miss here.  Mostly hits, but not always.
>     > > >     Does anyone have any clues as to what variety it might be?
>     > One thing
>     > > > peculiar about it is that not only are some of the fruit
>     > flattish, but the
>     > > > concave area on the bottom is large, and the lower curve up to
>     > the cavity
>     > > > more of a corner than a curve.  Donna TN z6
>     > > >
>     > > >
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