[nafex] Granny Smith apple
jim
jmc1 at epix.net
Mon Dec 11 12:11:29 EST 2000
Bramley's Seedling is a triploid. You may have noticed that seed count
typically is fewer than 3, with additional empty seed husks. Like other
triploids, the few seeds produced are, with rare exceptions, aneuploid;
chromosome numbers are usually between 35 and 45. Few of the seeds will
germinate, and almost all of those few seedlings will have small,
strap-like leaves -- looks much like roundup damage.
The odds against Granny Smith deriving from Bramley's Seedling are far
greater than the odds against George Patataki voting for Hillary Clinton
last month.
//Jim
www.cumminsnursery.com
dwalsh/wchase wrote:
> According to Morgan and Richards The Book of Apples: A Mrs Smith,
> born in England in 1800, emigrated to Australia in 1838. In 1860s she
> found some seedlings growing in a creek where she had tipped out some
> apples brought back from Sydney. Tree was propagated and later family
> increased their orchards and marketed fruit in Sydney. Apples
> exported from Sydney to Britain in 1930s (There is no mention of
> Bramley's Seedling being involved. Bramley's and Granny Smith look
> and taste very different). According to Martin Crawford's Directory of
> Apple Cultivars: Reine des Pommes is a cider (bittersweet) apple from
> Brittany, blooms early, pick in November, greenish-yellow flushed dark
> red, moderate vigour, good cropper, no parentage given. Derry Derry
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: H. Dessureault
> To: nafex at egroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 6:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Sutton Beauty apple
> Hi,I find your discussion on varieties very interesting.I
> imagine Bramley to be a parent of Granny Smith, is that
> so?Would you happen to know about Reine des pommes?Some
> information would be very appreciated. H. DessureaultQuébec,
> Zone 3a -----Message d'origine-----
> De : dwalsh/wchase <wchase at interchange.ubc.ca>
> À : nafex at egroups.com <nafex at egroups.com>
> Date : dimanche 10 décembre 2000 19:06
> Objet : [nafex] Sutton Beauty appleClaude,
>
> I had to go to the books again to see if I could find
> anything on Dumelow or
> Wellington.
>
> Acc to Martin Crawford, Dumelow Seedling comes from England,
> is a cooker, and is a
> Northern Greenling seedling.
>
> A friend has the Apples of NY as well as all sorts of good
> reference books.
>
> She says the US germplasm repository (from before the
> Internet) lists Sutton and
> Sutton Beauty, so that
> variety is not lost to the world.
> She also says that Aof NY says it is an error
> to consider Wellington and Dumelow as synonyms of SB. I
> think I understood from
> her that Wellington and Dumelow Seedling and Dumelow's crab
> are synonyms of one
> another and Sutton Beauty has many synonyms including Sutton
> and Morris Red.
> Sutton Beauty
> is a seedling of Hubbardson Nonsuch. Hubbardson Nonsuch is
> also listed as a
> synonym of SB, but A of NY says it is not a 'synonym', but a
> 'seedling of'.
> Apparently the picture of Sutton Beauty in A of NY is of a
> very nice-looking
> apple. It came out of Massachusetts in 1848.Also Sutton
> Beauty is an eating apple
> (vs Dumelow which is a cooker)
>
> However, I went onto the US germplasm Repository site and
> there is no listing of
> Sutton or Sutton Beauty or Morris Red. There is a listing of
> Wellington, but this
> is presumably a US Wellington, not the British one.
>
> I also checked the US Germplasm site for 'Winter' and
> 'Winter Dessert'. No sign
> of either. Winter is probably a generic name, or a short
> form of one of the
> many apples having 'winter' as part of their name.
>
> These searches are interesting,
>
> Thanks for your input,
>
> Derry
>
> Derry Walsh & Bill Chase email:wchase at interchange.ubc.ca
> Aldergrove, B. C., Canada
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> : Derry,
> : Looking in my documentation, I don't find anything on
> Winter or Winter
> : Dessert. However, from Beach's Apples of NY, Sutton Beauty
> is a synonym for
> : those 2 varieties:
> : Dumelow (also called Wellington), a yellow English cooker,
>
> : Sutton, a seedling of Hubbardston prior to 1850, orig.
> Mass.
> ::
> : Claude
>
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