[Market Farming] Agricultural Urbanism
Lawrence F. London, Jr.
venaurafarm at bellsouth.net
Thu Feb 10 20:25:34 EST 2011
On 2/10/2011 4:09 PM, K. M. Oliver wrote:
> This sounds pretty good at the first reading; however, upon thinking
> about this a bit further, I could see some potential problems. In
> this "community garden" set-up, it would seem to me that it would
> have to be mandated from the very beginning just exactly what could
> be grown as well as what type of seeds could be planted and how they
> are cared for. Say, for instance, I want quality nutritious veggies,
> so I'm painstakingly growing an all-organic no-chemicals-added
> garden, and the neighbor wants quantity eye-candy-type plants, so he
> puts in GMO seeds and sprays away. I would not be a happy camper in
> that situation. To have to spell all this out in a contract-type
> situation would, in my opinion, negate a lot of the benefits, such as
> the peacefulness of the garden itself, and would seem rather
> restrictive. I admit, I didn't have time to read the whole long
> article, but this would be a first major concern. The idea, though,
> sounds really good. The problem would be that not everyone thinks
> the same.
Did you look at the .pdf & its landscape architectural renderings?
If not you're missing a clearer view of what this thing is all about.
Myself, I just pooled at the renderings and assumed one would naturally
max out one's finest permaculture and landscape designs/plans/systems
without regard for any "neighborhood or community covenants shouls they
exist"; kind of homeowner-planter's anarchy, as is commonplace most
places anyway, you do what you want on your own property EXCEPT use any
environmentally harmful substances i.e. herbicides or pesticides. I
_assumed_ that their plan was, from the start,
organic/natural/sustainable/regenerative/biointensive in every respect
through and throughout their plan from start to finish for perpetuity. I
have not read all the text so may is says differently. If so then they
will simply have to make some necessary changes, eh? :-)
On 2/10/2011 5:21 PM, Linda Ray wrote:
> I agree with Kris' excellent point. The description there sounds like
> Urban Development to me.
It is mega light years beyond anything I have ever seen. It is new age
Capability Brown on steroids and superfood. It is one of the most
inspiring concepts I have ever run across...and has almost infinite
potential. Paolo Solerit one one things, Oneill's Space Colonies are
another, this is in the real here and now.
> While I am glad to see that someone's working out a plan for the type
> who will want that kind of thing, I personally am one of those
> who would not tolerate community control of my property by factors
> IMHO providing the knowledge and expertise to accomplish Edible
> wherever you are would be far more harmonious in any urban environment.
I assumed that would be a built in factor in their plan, everything to
do with edible landscapes and forest gardens and home and community food
production, in spades.
> Still I am glad to read of this idea's existence, and I do think it
would be a
> good idea to flesh out. This will be perfect for some people. I'm
just not one
> of 'em.
Yes, to add some ideas to their original concept:
You;re potentially dealing with lots of land and many people, thus many
community and village units, towns, if you will. I could go on for hours
about this. I have hands on expertise with some of the things I think
they ought to incorporate into their plan.
1) Keep it simple
2) Waste not, be frugal, recycle, reuse, regenerate, conserve
3) Standardize, wherever possible all aspects of dwelling and building
construction, water management, sewer and sanitation and energy
acquisition, generation, distribution and usage
As for 3):
1-AAC block and panels for insulation, floor, walls and possibly roof
2-Eco-friendly non toxic pressure treated lumber
3-Prepainted, galvanized contoured metal panels for roofing and siding
4-Masonry products for interior (thermal storage) and exterior (no
maintenance & very sturdy and durable) walls, decorative, load bearing
5-High strength concrete for structural elements, grade beam
foundations, floors: interior and exterior
6-Masonry and ceramic products for floors and walls, kitchens and baths
How many of these could be made on site or in plants/factories located
in reasonable proximity to urban areas within a region, to reduce cost
Set up an accompanying NPSPMDN that these urban
areas/communities/villages could be an integral part of:
National Product and Services Production, Marketing and Distribution Network
I have more ideas to submit after a break for a glass of mineral water...
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