[Market-farming] Denver Post Op-ed

road's end farm organic101 at linkny.com
Thu Aug 2 21:58:50 EDT 2007


On Aug 2, 2007, at 4:48 PM, Sharon and Steve wrote:
>

> If strong wording was a crime then a lot of "organic folk" would also 
> be
> headed for the pokey as their finger pointing and screaming  about
> conventional farmers trying to poison the flora and fauna on the 
> planet is
> pretty vicious also.

Did you actually read my post? I made a very strong point of doing no 
such thing. I have very rarely heard other organic growers do so; and 
on the few occasions when I have, both I and other organic growers 
present have objected to it. Most of us prefer to be on good terms with 
our neighbors, not to be screaming at them.

And I didn't say that strong wording was a crime. I objected to some of 
Jackie Avner's strong wording with some moderately strong wording of my 
own, not by calling the police.

> In some cases she is giving too much credit to the organic producer, 
> come on
> over and we will follow the grain delivery truck, the milk pick up 
> truck; we
> will look at the pastures, the barns, and a bunch of stuff that will 
> show
> that you that organic is just a word. [. . . ]
>  if
> you want to go buy something that carries a USDA Organic sticker go
> ahead.........but dont expect it to be anything buit a rip off.
>

And I resent being told, in effect, that I and others who I know are 
lying about our organic practices, by someone who has never met us and 
never seen our farms.

I'm sure you can find a few unscrupulous people posing as organic who 
are lying; just as I'm sure you can find a few conventional farmers who 
are happy to poison everything that moves and some things that don't. 
But neither of these things are true of most of either group of people.

If you know specific farmers who are claiming their product is organic 
when they are in gross violation of organic practices, then I urge you 
to report them. I don't know how you can tell by following the feed 
truck, however, unless you know for sure everything that's in the load. 
They might be hauling organic and conventional feed in the same truck, 
if it's bagged feed and bagged separately; or even if it's bulk, if the 
truck has been cleaned inbetween. I have had lime brought to my fields 
by the regular lime spreader from a conventional fertilizer company. I 
had to get a signed statement from them that, in addition to their 
ordinary cleaning procedures, the previous load (applied to a 
conventional farm) had also been lime, so as to make sure that any 
residue from whatever had been previously hauled in that truck had been 
effectively cleared out.

If your problem is with the USDA version of organic, please snarl at 
the USDA, and not at organic growers in general. Most of us don't like 
a lot of what gets by under the USDA any better than you do (I'm 
thinking, among other things, of the failure to enforce genuine pasture 
access regulations). I agree that going entirely and only by the UDSA 
label, without knowing anything about the actual producers, may get you 
something that most of us don't think is organic at all; but the fact 
that some of us have the USDA label doesn't mean that we're all lying 
and just trying to rip you off.

-- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 5 mostly
Fresh-market organic produce, small scale
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