[internetworkers] digital cameras

Lyman Green lymang at gmail.com
Wed Feb 9 19:28:23 EST 2005


Well,
I'd like to thank everyone for their input on this issue.
After my visit to Wolf Camera, I had pretty much decided I liked the feeling 
of the Nikon D70 more than the Canon Digital Rebel.  I ended up going to 
Southeastern Camera in Cary today and buying the Nikon, a 1GB CF card, a 
neutral lense filter for protection, and a carrying bag.

It was the same cost as at Wolf Camera, so it was a better choice in my mind 
to buy it from a local place rather than a chain like Wolf.

They seemed like very nice guys and I was glad to give them their business. 
We talked for almost an hour and they didn't rush me or pressure, and they 
gave me their opinions.  It was a lot of money but I do not think I will 
regret my choice.

Again, thanks to everyone for their input.

Lyman Green
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bruce" <bruce at synthesiscreative.com>
To: "'Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/'" 
<internetworkers at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 6:41 PM
Subject: RE: [internetworkers] digital cameras


>I was only 1/2 serious.  But the 1/2 that was serious stood at attention
> with the "more experience than others" comment was made.  Sorry - I
> couldn't help myself, I had to pull rank:)
>
> -b
>
>
>
> Bruce DeBoer
> Director of Marketing and Business Development
> Synthesis
> 112 S. Blount St.  Ste. 101
> Raleigh, NC  27601
> Main: 919-523-6385
> Fax: 919-829-8299
> bruce at synthesiscreative.com
> www.synthesiscreative.com
> Photography website:  www.brucedeboer.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: internetworkers-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:internetworkers-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Shea
> Tisdale
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 5:46 PM
> To: 'Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/'
> Subject: RE: [internetworkers] digital cameras
>
> Sorry Bruce, no intended disrespect.
>
> - Shea Tisdale
>
> Every generation has an obligation to improve the world.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: internetworkers-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:internetworkers-
>> bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Bruce
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 4:52 PM
>> To: 'Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/'
>> Subject: RE: [internetworkers] digital cameras
>>
>> Wow - I get no respect.  www.brucedeboer.com
>>
>> However - I agree 150% with you Shea.
>>
>> I've used/owned:
>>
>> Canon FTb
>> Canon A-1, F-1, F-1n
>> Nikon F, f2, f3, f4, Nikkormat ftn
>> 4x5, 8x10 Sinar F, F2, p, p2, c
>> Hasselblad C, CM, 503, ELM, ELX
>>
>> I was one of the original beta testers for Kodak's digital 35mm
> cameras
>> back in the late 80's.  Shall I go on?
>>
>> -b
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Bruce DeBoer
>> Director of Marketing and Business Development
>> Synthesis
>> 112 S. Blount St.  Ste. 101
>> Raleigh, NC  27601
>> Main: 919-523-6385
>> Fax: 919-829-8299
>> bruce at synthesiscreative.com
>> www.synthesiscreative.com
>> Photography website:  www.brucedeboer.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: internetworkers-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
>> [mailto:internetworkers-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Shea
>> Tisdale
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 4:42 PM
>> To: 'Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/'
>> Subject: RE: [internetworkers] digital cameras
>>
>> As the only other individual on here with as much or more experience
> in
>> photography as David, I'm going to weigh in here and tell you the true
>> facts.
>>
>> At a given price point both system are about equal.  At any given time
>> one
>> system will exceed the other slightly, but the balance will tip next
>> time
>> the other company releases their camera. And, either system is far
> more
>> capable than you will be as the user.  (I wish I could find the link,
>> but a
>> group of professional photographers used disposable point and shoots
> for
>> an
>> art project, and their work was amazing).
>>
>> In general in digital Canon is recognized as being the leader and on
> the
>> cutting edge.  And Nikon is recognized as being a bit behind in terms
> of
>> pixels, resolution and sharpness, but more reliable as far as their
>> software
>> goes.
>>
>> So I recommend you find models from both companies that have the
>> features
>> you want and then see which one feels the best to you, fits your hand
>> best,
>> and that you like more.  And buy that one.  Afterall, it's just like
> the
>> silly mac versus pc debate.  The only correct answer to either is the
>> one
>> that makes you happy.
>>
>> - Shea Tisdale
>>
>> Former owner of:
>>
>> Canon AE-1
>> Canon T-90
>> Canon F-1
>> Nikon FM2
>> Nikon F3
>> Nikon F3 Titanium
>> Nikon F3P (one of 5000 ever made)
>> Nikon F4
>> Canon XL-1 video camera
>>
>> And current owner of a Canon D20
>>
>> And I've also owned or used every almost every piece of glass you can
>> imagine from a 15mm to a 400mm f/2.8
>>
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: internetworkers-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
>> [mailto:internetworkers-
>> > bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of David Minton
>> > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 5:14 PM
>> > To: InterNetWorkers
>> > Subject: Re: [internetworkers] digital cameras
>> >
>> > For those that have weathered the Mac vs. Windows holy war, looks
> like
>> the
>> > Canon vs. Nikon conflagration is about to spill into
> Internetworkers.
>> >
>> > David
>> >
>> > On 2/8/05 4:59 PM, "Bruce" <bruce at synthesiscreative.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Not going to argue the point.  My experience tells me otherwise.
>> > >
>> > > Bruce DeBoer
>> > > Director of Marketing and Business Development
>> > > Synthesis
>> > > 112 S. Blount St.  Ste. 101
>> > > Raleigh, NC  27601
>> > > Main: 919-523-6385
>> > > Fax: 919-829-8299
>> > > bruce at synthesiscreative.com
>> > > www.synthesiscreative.com
>> > > Photography website:  www.brucedeboer.com
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: internetworkers-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
>> > > [mailto:internetworkers-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of
> zman
>> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 4:51 PM
>> > > To: Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/
>> > > Subject: RE: [internetworkers] digital cameras
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, Bruce wrote:
>> > >> I can tell you categorically that pros use more Canon Digitals
> than
>> > >> anything else - their superiority started with the lenses (film
>> > > cameras)
>> > >> and moved into the technology of digital.  The Canon XL1 Digital
>> Video
>> > >> camera is kicking butt as well in the pro market.
>> > >
>> > > Beg to differ once again. I don't think you can make that claim
>> > > categorically without numbers to back it up.
>> > >
>> > > As for the Canon XL1 you are correct for now.
>> > > Though Sony has been making steady inroads into the market.
>> > >
>> > >> By pro market I'm referring to mostly Photo Journalists.
>> Advertising
>> > >> Pros use larger format cameras and wedding pros don't need quite
>> the
>> > >> fire power as that found around the neck of an imbedded war
>> > >> photographer.
>> > >
>> > > Though there are quite a few loal wedding photographers using the
>> D70
>> > > these days. As for advertising pros, well Brian Regan
>> > > http://www.breganphoto.com/ is probably one of the top
> photographers
>> in
>> > > the
>> > > area and he's been using his digital back on his Nikon for a lot
> of
>> his
>> > > work these days. maybe you should take another look around.
>> > >
>> > >> If I was going to spend $1000 on a new camera I would be sure it
>> was
>> > > at
>> > >> least 4mp and probably [these days] expect 5 or 6 or more.
> However
>> -
>> > > mp
>> > >> is NOT the be-all and do-all of digital decision making.  There
> is
>> > > pixel
>> > >> depth too.  The new Fuji S3 for example, stayed with their S2
>> > > resolution
>> > >> but decided to increase pixel depth from 256 levels of gray (8
> bit)
>> to
>> > >> thousands (16 bit).  I believe this to be a good idea since
>> Photoshop
>> > >> now supports 16 bit and, from what I hear, it helps to solve that
>> > >> annoying tone break in the highlights that has been a curse for
>> > > digital
>> > >> uses since the beginning.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Bruce DeBoer
>> > >> Director of Marketing and Business Development
>> > >> Synthesis
>> > >> 112 S. Blount St.  Ste. 101
>> > >> Raleigh, NC  27601
>> > >> Main: 919-523-6385
>> > >> Fax: 919-829-8299
>> > >> bruce at synthesiscreative.com
>> > >> www.synthesiscreative.com
>> > >> Photography website:  www.brucedeboer.com
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> -----Original Message-----
>> > >> From: internetworkers-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
>> > >> [mailto:internetworkers-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of
>> David
>> > >> Minton
>> > >> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 4:05 PM
>> > >> To: internetworkers at lists.ibiblio.org
>> > >> Subject: Re: [internetworkers] digital cameras
>> > >>
>> > >> I have a Canon 10D that I have shot about 5,000 images with,
> which
>> is
>> > >> similar. This was my first digital interchangeable lens SLR, and
> I
>> am
>> > >> quite
>> > >> happy with it. There are some flaws, which I am told the new 20D
>> > >> corrects.
>> > >>
>> > >> In general, it is my impression that Canon has a technical edge
>> over
>> > >> Nikon.
>> > >> The Nikon bodies seem superior when compared to older Canon
> bodies,
>> > > and
>> > >> when
>> > >> the new Canon comes out, it blows away the Nikon, at least in the
>> Pro
>> > >> market.
>> > >>
>> > >> On the subject of pros, most I know shoot Canon now. I am told
> the
>> Pro
>> > >> Nikon
>> > >> bodies don't hold up as well.
>> > >>
>> > >> Anyway, when you move up to interchangeable lenses, you are
> buying
>> > > into
>> > >> a
>> > >> system. The lenses you buy should last through a few upgrade
> cycles
>> of
>> > >> camera bodies. I spent more on my primary lens (16-35mm f/2.8L)
>> than I
>> > >> did
>> > >> on the body, as I expect to be using it longer. These cameras are
>> good
>> > >> enough to capture imperfections in lower quality optics. The $100
>> kit
>> > >> lens
>> > >> (from either brand) is just not going to be as good as a
>> $500-$1,500
>> > >> lens.
>> > >> You get what you pay for from your optics.
>> > >>
>> > >> Before investing in CF cards, check Rob Galbraith's CF Database:
>> > >>
>> > >>    http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=6007
>> > >>
>> > >> You will find that with cameras in this class, that the speed of
>> the
>> > > CF
>> > >> card
>> > >> will come into play, and become the bottleneck in clearing your
>> camera
>> > >> buffer.
>> > >>
>> > >> If you want to check out some cameras, I would recommend
>> Southeastern
>> > >> Camera, with locations in Cary, Carrboro, and Wilmington:
>> > >>
>> > >>    http://www.southeasterncamera.com/
>> > >>
>> > >> If you have any specific questions, let me know.
>> > >>
>> > >> David
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> DesignHammer Media Group, LLC : 919.544.0086 :
>> > >> http://www.designhammer.com
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On 2/8/05 11:23 AM, "Lyman Green" <lymang at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> Anyone on the list have a Canon Digital Rebel or a Nikon D70?
>> > > Looking
>> > >>> for info on these digital SLR's from a real person (as opposed
> to
>> a
>> > >>> faceless internet reviewer).
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Lyman Green
>> > >>
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