[internetworkers] immediate reactions
evan.zimmerman at gmail.com
Fri Oct 1 08:44:37 EDT 2004
The Daily Show was "ok". It's always good, but they never seem to
quite pull off the live ones.
I'd agree that this was a pretty substantive debate -- I noticed many
of the pundits afterward seemed stunned that it wasn't "boring" and
uneventful as they had all seemed to predict (and as the president was
presumed to be hoping for). All of the polls I saw afterward leaned
ttoward Kerry as the winner, but he didn't have to win with sucker
punches, which was nice.
I was stunned about the certainty that Bush kept on with -- all the
polls going into this said pretty unequivocally that if the country
kept Bush most wanted him to "change". Giving a sign that he was
willing to admit mistakes and correct the course might have washed
Kerry out, but he didn't/couldn't do it. I was surprised by that -- I
thought that was his trump card.
On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 01:00:29 -0400, Sasha Akhavi
<sasha.akhavi at alumni.brown.edu> wrote:
> It wasn't style that tripped Bush up tonight; it was substance. This
> was the most issues-focused debate I have seen in a presidential
> election - no outstanding quips, no distracting jabs, just 90 minutes
> of Jim Lehrer and John Kerry confronting George Bush about his
> policies in Iraq, and George Bush faltering in response.
> 3) big things came out of this debate for me: 1) Kerry seemed more
> presidential - more mature, more resolute, more intelligent and less
> whiny - than the President and had the opportunity to recast the
> "flip-flopping" characterization Bush has tried to level at him; 2)
> Bush was shown up as valuing certainty above rectitude, in the face
> of all evidence; 3) Kerry reestablished his credentials as a
> military leader, and a more circumspect one than the President has
> been. I'm as biased as they come too, but his respect for the people
> doing the fighting, and his pledge that their endagerment would be
> his last resort, was inescapably more sincere than Bush's.
> ... and after sending out this highly partisan message, I'm going to
> be gone for the weekend, so I won't be around to continue the
> discussion til Monday. See y'all then -SA
> >/me has no cable. :'(
> >but i have to say, damn, i thought bush was supposed to be a great
> >debater (resisting saying hes a master debater) and had never lost a
> >debate in his life, but he messed that all up.
> >Now, I'm about as biased as they come, but I'm not above calling
> >someone out of he messed things up. There were a few times when I
> >wanted to reach out and smack Kerry up side the head, but I was too
> >distracted by Bush blinking all the time...or pausing in....the
> >of a sentence to compose himself...
> >my $0.02
> >On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 00:09:20 -0400, Thomas <thomas at tbeckett.com> wrote:
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