[Homestead] Thunder God Vine and RA

Padruig rayzentz at aim.com
Fri Oct 1 01:53:41 EDT 2010


Hmmm. Boy, you do take things personally, don't you, Lynda. I was simply dis-agreeing with you. I have not had the bad experiences you have, and have not, yet, at least, encountered the tin gods and boobs that you apparantly have. And no, you can't offend me, unless I let you, so no worries there.


My comment regarding unhealthy lifestyles, sueing, and instant fixes had nothing to do with your son at all. I was simply stating my opinion regarding where most of our problems with the medical INDUSTRY in our country stem from. It was my opinion, nothing more.

I am not too proud to apologize however, if you were offended by my opinion, even if there was no offense intended. Consider it offered, though from the tenor of your response, I am assuming it won't matter one whit.

Ray, who apparantly is not surrounded by medical incompetents and boobs... and considers himself blessed.


Dr. Raymond Zentz
 
It is better to die a free man, than to live, a slave.




-----Original Message-----
From: Lynda <lurine at com-pair.net>
To: homestead at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:19 pm
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Thunder God Vine and RA


I would say "no offense" but I don't really care if I offend since obviously 
you don't either. WTF do you get off with the "people who have lived 
unhealthily, want an instant fix when the s**t hits the fan." WTH does that 
have to do with MY e-mail? 
 
How does someone running up a hill, breaking a flip flop and cutting their 
foot equate into your rant about "people who have lived unhealthily, want an 
instant fix when the s**t hits the fan"? Please enlighten us as to how your 
brain works. 
 
Now, I said I'd make the story short, so now I'll make the short story long 
and y'all will have all the details, so no one will think I wanted a instant 
fix. And, we didn't get "a" boob, we got more than one! 
 
1st -- I was Nursing Service Coordinator for a large rehab facility with 3 
wings -- Acute Rehab, Acute SNF and Acute Psych. I coordinated staffing, 
all modality care meetings, discharge planning and continuing care meetings, 
and insurance pre-authorization and continuing stay authorization. I worked 
with docs, nurses, private insurance, VA, Medicaid, MediCal, Medicare and 
private pay. 
 
2nd -- I worked the telemetry unit (stepdown unit from ICU) of an acute care 
hospital, one of the Sister of Orange facilities. 
 
3rd -- I worked in radiology at a county/community hospital. 
 
So, I'm pretty familiar with how the medical field works, from the inside 
out and ALL its dirty little secrets. 
 
Now, on to Son #3. He was referred to the big hospital in the big city by 
the local clinic. The hospital asst. CEO himself called me back later to 
say "well, you know that an x-ray won't show glass." O.K., so then WHY was 
an x-ray ordered to locate glass? Or do you consider that to be "highly 
skilled and competent"? 
 
After two weeks with the foot getting worse and worse and the shooting pains 
becoming more intense, he went to the little local ER. *That* doctor, who 
did meet the definition of "highly skilled and competent," ordered a CAT 
scan, the appropriate test to look for glass. Sure enough, pieces of glass 
embedded in the muscle and around the nerves and tendons. 
 
Local clinic referred him to an orth surg. That numb nuts told him to live 
with it. I suppose he also meets your definition of "highly skilled and 
competent"?? 
 
In the mean time, the CRPS rears its ugly head -- swellling, purple color, 
shooting pains, ankle begins to twist to the inside, foot begins to curl up, 
calf muscle begins to cramp into lumpy knots. 
 
*I* called a couple of docs I personally knew and got him into a vascular 
surgeon's office. THAT doctor, who I define as "highly skilled and 
competent," came unhinged over the two people telling Son #3 to "live with 
it." He immediately scheduled surgery but told us in advance that because 
so much time had elapsed that he couldn't give any guarantees. That the 
surgery should have been done AT THE ER IMMEDIATELY! Which, BTW, was why we 
were referred to the ER in the big city to begin with. *Supposedly* they 
had an on-call surgeon who should have been able to take care of this right 
there and then! 
 
Son was in surgery for 3 hours and the prognosis is that he MIGHT be able to 
walk with a limp but that there was damage to nerves and cuts and a scratch 
on the tendon that runs to his big toe. That would be PRECISESLY where the 
pain occured when the ER boob hit him with the lidocaine. Hmmm, wouldn't be 
that the "highly skilled and competent" idiot had hit the tendon with the 
needle. 
 
So, the problem wasn't freeloading on the system, or unhealthy people or a 
sue happy society. IF you have had the great fortune to only meet good 
medical people, I'm happy for you. HOWEVER, I happen to know for a fact 
that a VERY LARGE % of the medical folks out there shouldn't even be 
treating downers at the local slaughter yard! 
 
The number of doctors that get away with maiming, crippling and killing 
people is astronomical. Most folks don't sue. In fact, less than 5% of the 
folks with cause ever file a lawsuit or a claim with the doctor's 
malpractice insurance, if he even has any! 
 
And, as an aside, Son #3 works with paraplegics and developmentally disabled 
children at the local school district. Unless a miracle happens, he won't 
be able to work with those children anymore due to district policy. Is he 
whining about it? No, he's been working with head traumas and the 
developmentally disabled since he was 18 and he plans to continue. He 
simply won't be able to work with folks who have certain physical 
disabilities. 
 
AND, search as I might, I can't find breaking a flip flop and getting 
"boobs" as medical staff as fitting the definition of "living an unhealthy 
lifestyle." I'm sure you'll enlighten me as to how that all fits together. 
 
Lynda 
----- Original Message ----- From: "Padruig" <rayzentz at aim.com> 
> 
> Oh, trust me, I was not making any remark about "the right way". I was 
> merely commenting on how people who have lived unhealthily, want an 
> instant fix when the s**t hits the fan... or, as the good reverend put it, 
> when the "chickens come home to roost" 
> 
> I don't claim to have lived a healthy lifestyle. I just don't whine about 
> it now that consequences are occurring. 
> 
> But yes, it's good to be back... ;-) 
> 
> Incidentally, we have moved to northern Utah (better paying teaching job, 
> if you can believe it), and are living in a yurt we finished last week.. 
> We plan to do so for a year, as a historical re-creation project, and to 
> save for a HEALTHY down payment on some land next year. 
> 
> Ray 
 
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