[Homestead] Has anyone heard about this?
lurine at com-pair.net
Fri Jul 24 01:15:47 EDT 2009
Sorry, Drew, but that isn't how Infant mortality in the U.S. is counted.
Lots of folks get confused on this issue and the Right to Lifers have a hay
day with the stats. There are two types of abortions -- spontaneous and
induced. Spontaneous abortions are used in the mortality rates. Induced
are listed as abortions.
Nor are you correct on the hospitals counting deaths that occur within the
hospital. If a patient comes in with a stroke and they acquire a staf
infection and then die from a second massive CVA, then they don't have to
count the staf infection as a cause of death. If they come in with a hang
nail and die from staf, then they have to count the staf infection.
Regardless, they have to count that the patient acquired a staf infection
while in the hospital as part of their monthly QA and that is reviewed with
the yearly summary that is provided to the feds.
Your numbers on breast cancer are also off. The rate in the U.S. and Italy
are the same, 20.7. France's rate is lower at 19.7.
Overall cancer death rates (per 100,000) are: Italy: 418, U.S. 321.9 and
France with 286.1. Prostate cancer deaths are somewhat higher in Europe but
not because of care. The studies show that men in Europe are more likely to
wait longer to see a physician and less likely to agree to some of the
things that are done to save lives.
And, people leave the U.S. in droves to get surgery in other countries.
India being one of them. There are even companies that specialize in
arranging it like WorldMed Assist. Blue Cross and Blue Shield will even
cover the costs out of the country. Companion Global Healthcare is another
that works on the outsourcing of healthcare.
Most folks go to India for major surgery. Followed by Mexico, Thailand,
Singapore and Costa Rica.
BTW, it can take up to 3 months here in the U.S. to get an insurance company
to approve an MRI! Ah, I know. That's how long we had to wait for youngest
to get her's.
And I have a friend who had a tumor in her leg. She couldn't get it removed
unless she put the money up front. She had to mortgage her house! $60,000
and then they wouldn't do aftercare unless she paid in advance!
My speciality was insurance and believe me, the care here in the U.S. is
slim to none unless you have someone as persistant as an angry bulldog
working in the authorization office of your doctor's office or hospital you
plan on using! The stonewalling and general thick headed stupidity of a
whole lot of the folks working at insurance companies is nothing short of
unbelieveable! It takes a lot of work to get beyond the lay person you
first get on the phone and then you get a burnt out RN or a 9-5 MD who
probably graduated last in his class and couldn't get work anywhere else!
"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored." Aldous Huxley
----- Original Message -----
From: <DSanner106 at aol.com>
> These stats are so messed up they are meaningless. We just sent back our
> french exchange student yesterday, had his brother with us last year. His
> mother is a doctor, the father works for a major drug company in France.
> tell a very different story and are jealous of our system. Those
> above us have govt controlled systems and the govt. issuing stats. For
> example, do you know we are one of the only countries that includes
> abortion as
> infant mortality. take that alone off and we jump to the top. If a
> checks into a hospital with one of a number of life threatening
> conditions, the hospital does not have to count his death against the
> statistics. What my French friends told me is that simple math will tell
> you that
> either hundreds of thousands of Frenchmen disappear off the planet every
> year, or the mortality rate is way wrong. If you are diagnosed with
> cancer in France you are 5 times more likely to die from it, same for
> Prostate Cancer. Heart problems are even more skewed. People don't leave
> the US
> in droves to seek surgery in canada or europe, but check the number of
> canadians and europeans coming here for medical treatment. A head injury
> thought minor gets a cat scan in 5 weeks, if death is likely, 5
> days...... we
> get one in hours here. Stats should never be blindly believed.
> In a message dated 7/24/2009 12:12:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> mmcharry at gmail.com writes:
> There are many criteria, and a rating is given for each. Two of the
> major ones used by the WHO are infant mortality and healthy life
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