[Homestead] post election night mayhem
k1lky at earthlink.net
Wed Oct 22 16:06:38 EDT 2008
[Not from Roy]
Bob, it has been proven that it *can* happen, in particular with the
Diebold machines. NIST did a huge long study involving how easily the
machines can be tampered with. It's not urban legend that it's
possible. It's not urban legend that there were problems with the
machines in Georgia and Florida. Roy could fill you in more, but
please don't believe it's not possible.
On Oct 22, 2008, at 3:03 PM, bob ford wrote:
> You would have every right to 'scream' if it happened to you. But
> it hasn't. Ever. Nor has it happened to me or anyone with whom I
> have ever spoken . Malfunctions do occur, but the hysteria around
> republican ability to manipulate voting processes is based on
> nothing more credible than urban legends.
> The 'fact' is that voting processes in most states are overseen by
> democrats. Another fact is the groups being investigated for
> 'actual' voter registration fraud are 'democrats.
> I know you are 'independent. Please don't buy into this "poor me,
> democrat who cant get his vote counted" non-sense. If McCain pulls
> an upset and wins, it will be because a lot of citizens, at the
> moment of truth, decided that there could be good reson not to
> completely trust Obama, OR to give 'all' governmental power to one
> party. ....bobford
> --- On Wed, 10/22/08, Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> From: Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Homestead] post election night mayhem
>> To: homestead at lists.ibiblio.org
>> Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 12:50 PM
>> It will be even worse if people actually SEE their vote
>> flipped on the
>> machine, as apparently is already happening in some of the
>> early voting.
>> Heck, if that happened to me, *I'd* be out there
>> screaming. Civil unrest
>> is not ALWAYS a bad thing if people have a legitimate
>> complaint. Since
>> 2000, people have been demanding a more transparent voting
>> Instead we get machines with "little black boxes"
>> instead of accessible
>> code, and no paper trail (made by a company whose CEO
>> promised to
>> deliver the election to Bush).
>> Lynn Wigglesworth
>> bob ford wrote:
>>> Leading The News
>>> Police prepare for unrest
>>> By Alexander Bolton
>>> Posted: 10/21/08 07:58 PM [ET]
>>> Police departments in cities across the country are
>> beefing up their ranks for Election Day, preparing for
>> possible civil unrest and riots after the historic
>> presidential contest.
>>> ......" (James) Carville said earlier this month
>> that “it would be very, very, very dramatic out there”
>> if Obama lost, a statement some commentators interpreted as
>> predicting riots.".............
>>> ........But Tate declined to describe what the
>> worst-case scenario might look like, speaking gingerly like
>> other police officials who are wary of implying that black
>> voters are more likely than other voting groups to cause
>>> ...............Shelton, of the NAACP, said he
>> understands the need for police to maintain order. But he is
>> also concerned that some political partisans may point their
>> finger at black voters as potential troublemakers because
>> the Democratic nominee is black..........
>>> ...........Some worry that if Barack Obama loses and
>> there is suspicion of foul play in the election, violence
>> could ensue in cities with large black populations. Others
>> based the need for enhanced patrols on past riots in urban
>> areas (following professional sports events) and also on
>> Internet rumors.
>>> Democratic strategists and advocates for black voters
>> say they understand officers wanting to keep the peace, but
>> caution that excessive police presence could intimidate
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