[Homestead] Our digital trail - "Orwellian future"

Lynn Wigglesworth lynnw1366 at hotmail.com
Sun Nov 30 16:48:02 EST 2008


I don't know what to say, Bob. We just live in such different worlds. We 
don't even have streetlights...do you really think anyone is going to bother 
to put in cameras on hundreds of miles of roads (just in my county) that get 
maybe a dozen cars a day? The nearest thing to a highway is 15 miles away 
and I haven't been on it in over a year.

Lynn Wigglesworth
Tioga Co. PA

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "bob ford" <bobford79 at yahoo.com>
To: <homestead at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Our digital trail - "Orwellian future"


> Voluntarily, hmmm.  Like driving.  remember the article I posted a couple 
> of days ago , one cop can tape and record for perpetuity 8000 car licenses 
> an hour.  Soon, they monitors will not be held by cops, but placed every 
> so often on a freeway or road system, your every travel will be recorede.
>
> This is not science fiction; it is happening now.  Why should I pay over 
> $2.00 lb. for frozen chicken when the store has it for 59 cents lb with 
> the store card.  Should I be required to pay triple or quadrupluble just 
> for the exact same anonymity we all took for granted just a few years ago?
>
> When Marie makes a post, like she did last week, about her experiences 
> with radioactive waste in Illinois being stored in pole buildings, and I 
> do a "search" out of curiosity to see if they are still doing it, and if 
> they do the same in other states, is my name and IP # put in a database in 
> case something happens at one of those storage facilities.  Am I not 
> allowed to be curious?
>
> If I go to the Indian Casino every once in a while and cash in my chips 
> for cash, why is every "cash out" recorded with my nmae and required ID, 
> and the minute I hit $10,0001 , the IR S gets a letter to watch me for 
> m*ney l*undering?  'Not' for reporting gambling income, but for possible 
> "mon*y l *undering.
>
> And all of these systems are run by beauracrats, some morons, some not; 
> 'just doing their jobs'.  The system is answerable to no one.  It is much 
> as dealing with a lunatic................
>
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>
>
> --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Our digital trail - "Orwellian future"
>> To: homestead at lists.ibiblio.org
>> Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 2:00 PM
>> I just wonder how they link all this information to a
>> person. It has to be
>> through something you do voluntarily, like use a credit
>> card, or a store
>> card. or a cell phone. If I didn't want someone knowing
>> what I'm doing, I'd
>> pay cash and not give my name. Maybe loss of privacy is the
>> price of using
>> cell phones, credit cards, airplanes etc...all are a
>> choice.
>>
>> Lynn Wigglesworth
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "bob ford" <bobford79 at yahoo.com>
>> To: <homestead at lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 3:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Our digital trail -
>> "Orwellian future"
>>
>>
>> > Yes, they store the info, and it is already being
>> used.  I know you don't
>> > believe in using credit cards, but the items you
>> purchas using your store
>> > (BiLo) card is connected to your credit card if you
>> have ever used your
>> > crwedit card together with that card, even once.  If
>> you buy a lot of
>> > booze, it can negatively affect your credit, right
>> now.  If you use you CC
>> > to gamble, buy lots of porn, other vice type
>> activities will immediately
>> > affect your credit.  Not all of us are churchmarms and
>> it isn't anyone's
>> > damn business.  I don't do those things myself,
>> but if I wanted to , why
>> > should it be anyone's business, but mine.
>> >
>> > If you buy cigarettes, alot of booze and ice cream, I
>> have read that
>> > comapnies with the help of insurance companies can
>> ferret out that
>> > information when determining your candidacy for a job
>> or you apllication
>> > for health or life insurance.  My own insurance agent,
>> when I started
>> > smoking again (before I quit this last time) told me
>> to always buy my
>> > cigarettes with cash, and never to use a store card,
>> so there would be no
>> > record of the cigarette purchases (he knew I was
>> planning to quit again).
>> >
>> > If someone sues you, their lawyer can ask for almost
>> any kind of records,
>> > no matter how trivial they appear.  They can also ask
>> for your spouses
>> > records.  It is not funny when it happens to you.  It
>> can be used just to
>> > bully and harass you ................bobford
>> >
>> >
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>> >
>> >
>> > --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Lynn Wigglesworth
>> <lynnw1366 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> From: Lynn Wigglesworth
>> <lynnw1366 at hotmail.com>
>> >> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Our digital trail -
>> "Orwellian future"
>> >> To: homestead at lists.ibiblio.org
>> >> Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 1:36 PM
>> >> >  Maybe you will be lucky, and it will never
>> happen to
>> >> you.  With the data
>> >> > being collected they can subpoena your d*mn
>> life.
>> >> Everything is recorded.
>> >> > If 'they' don't care about my
>> data, why do
>> >> they then harvest and record my
>> >> > data for perpetuity?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> Do they store all this info? I can understand why
>> they need
>> >> the info
>> >> connected to my employment (since I'm
>> self-employed,
>> >> they only know what I
>> >> tell them...they don't even have little
>> check-off boxes
>> >> for half of what I
>> >> do) and SS number, or my Drivers' License.What
>> else do
>> >> they track? Do they
>> >> tap into my BiLo Wildcard and know that I eat
>> oatmeal for
>> >> breakfast?  It's
>> >> hard to imagine that there is some central
>> database
>> >> somewhere that cares
>> >> about the minutiae of my life. The important
>> things in my
>> >> life, no one knows
>> >> but me.
>> >>
>> >> Lynn Wigglesworth
>> >> Tioga Co. PA
>> >>
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