[Homestead] Midwestt farming problems - 2009 Food shortages

Lynn Wigglesworth lynnw1366 at hotmail.com
Sun Nov 30 12:55:46 EST 2008


I'd also be interested in hearing what percentage of that corn feeds people, 
as opposed to what  feeds animals or goes  for ethanol.

That guy (Stranded Wind) has a very strange set of ideas. I don't think they 
are compatible. He's into 'natural' ways to produce ammonia for fertilizer. 
Ammonia fertilizer is hard on the soil, and doesn't fit into any kind of 
'natural' system. Those huge midwestern monoculture farms are not 
sustainable. I'm hoping that someday they will be broken down into smaller 
diversified farms.

Lynn Wigglesworth
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "bob ford" <bobford79 at yahoo.com>
To: <homestead at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Midwestt farming problems - 2009 Food shortages


> No, I have not followed the "Marcellus Shale" issue, though I do remember 
> you saying that you might have NG lease options.  I don't know what to 
> make of it all.
>
>  If you followed this guy's article, he is saying beofre BO and the dems 
> (whom he supports) worries about propping-up, bailing-out, of Detrotit , 
> Citi, more Wall St. ( which are all already decided by the dem congress, 
> anway), they should first make sure that agricultural products are taken 
> care of
>
> (and I clicked on one of his links, the guys riding a bicycle through a 
> wheatfield talking about windmills to produce ammonia? -- not exactly the 
> 'monsanto' type.  That is whay I posted the article, to see what people 
> who have a better understanding of the business of agriculture thought.
>
> This is only one of several articles I've recently read warning of very 
> near-term U.S. food shortages
>
>
>
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> --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Midwestt farming problems - 2009 Food shortages
>> To: homestead at lists.ibiblio.org
>> Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 9:54 AM
>> Industrial farming runs on fossil fuels, so if there IS a
>> shortage, it
>> doesn't run at all. I don't believe there is a
>> shortage...or if there is,
>> it's a created shortage to drive prices back up.
>>
>> I don't know if you've followed the Marcellus Shale
>> issue....it's a large
>> area of untapped natural gas (I'm sitting right on top
>> of it). It is
>> alledgedly going to make the local landowners all rich, but
>> the gas
>> companies have stopped leasing land because the price of
>> natural gas has
>> dropped. They've capped the wells they have drilled
>> (there are 2 just
>> completed and capped within 2 miles of me)  until the price
>> comes up again.
>>
>> Lynn Wigglesworth
>> Tioga Co. PA
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "bob ford" <bobford79 at yahoo.com>
>> To: <homestead at lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 11:25 AM
>> Subject: [Homestead] Midwestt farming problems - 2009 Food
>> shortages
>>
>>
>> > First; I'm always skeptical of anything posted at
>> the DailyKos.  There is
>> > so much blatant propaganda and lie-ing on the site
>> (plus the emotional ,
>> > irrational ,profane language, ).  But, this is another
>> agricultiral
>> > article which I have read in the past couple of weeks
>> and this author does
>> > seem genuinely and rationally interested and somewhat
>> personally
>> > knowledgeable about the subject.. Lots of people are
>> saying that 'food'
>> > could be a near term problem - even
>> here................................
>> >
>> >
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> >
>> > Excerpt:
>> >
>> > " The Famine Of 2009 (updated 4x)
>> >
>> > by Stranded Wind
>> >
>> > Thu Nov 27, 2008 at 08:18:15 AM PST
>> >
>> > Last week I received a very concerned call from South
>> Dakota farmer and
>> > agronomist Bryan Lutter.  "Neal, we're out of
>> propane!"  I figured this
>> > was personal distress – he and his family farm over
>> three square miles of
>> > land and I know this has been a tough year for many
>> people. He promptly
>> > corrected my misconception when I tried to console
>> him. "No, everybody is
>> > out, all three grain elevators, we can't get fuel
>> for the bins, and we're
>> > coming in real wet this year."
>> >
>> >  There are equally dramatic issues due to the
>> bankruptcy of Verasun and
>> > the apparent insolvency of the nation's largest
>> private crop insurance
>> > program. Payments that would have come in June or July
>> of a normal year
>> > are still not dispersed at the end of November and
>> this has grim
>> > implications for next year's crop.
>> >
>> >  I started digging into the details and unless I'm
>> badly mistaken people
>> > are going to be starving in 2009 over causes and
>> conditions being set down
>> > right now. It's a complex, interlocking issue, and
>> I hope I've done a good
>> > job explaining it below the fold ..."
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/11/27/11143/168/114/667032
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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