[Homestead] Jersey cows
bobford79 at yahoo.com
Sat Nov 29 13:15:12 EST 2008
This is one of the better commentaries you have written about "community" James. And, it applies to more than just homesteading.
But, in homesteading communities, you point out a particluar limiting factor for people like me. I've lways thought I would need to be almost isolated and do my own thing; "OR'; would need to 'pay' for the priveledge of doing the best I can (less than them, likely) in someone else's homestead or homestead community.
I have always been very independent and self-sufficient in the ordinary sense. I learned the rules of commerce young, played them well and always stayed a bit ahead of the game. 'not a great winner, but always a decent player. From everything I read on this list; as a fellow subsistence homesteader , I would not be as useful as a day laborer or even a work animal. On my own, with "some" hired help, at least , maybe, I could figure out things on a very slow learning curve, before being run off in exasperation (maybe not before starving first, though, that's why fishing and already fertile soil is so important)
Hell, I don't even know how to make beads or sandals or any of the other hippie crap that some find useful in 'community'. I don't feel sorry for myself. Society hasn't broken down yet, and I'm still plugging along, trying to ascertain the proper direction (in more ways than one).
I still think , for someone like me, that leasing fertile land from an already industrious farmer, is not such a bad idea. I could do the best I could on my own- build, grow, fish, and hunt what I could- and then purchase what I can't do on my own from the lessor's over-production or from someone else in the community.
Buying , rather than leasing, land is till an option; but I think finding what I want or need might be easier if I were willing to lease. I already own land, now. It does me very little good.
I know you think my idea is not so good. But, you are right that the weaknessnes that someone ,like me, would bring to a 'sunsteanence' type community would outwiegh any strengths.
In very worst case scenario, I could always go to 'home'. I am welcome there; but if that is where I wanted to live, I would be there now. 'still looking at options .............bobford
> From: Clansgian at wmconnect.com <Clansgian at wmconnect.com>
> Here in the midst of economic hard times with prospects of much more, two groups of individuals I know are coming to grips with the
> concept of 'community'. But, sure enough, most if not all the people who want to conjoin pledge to bring to the community such vital skills as making bead jewelry, helping set up web pages, being a life coach, etc. all the duff and fluff that constitutes our present society.
> They think, as they have for their entire modern lives, that there are people out there willing to keep them fed, warm, and supplied with
> clothing in exchange for doing some cutesy but otherwise useless
> The lesson I've learned from observing the plans and
> attempts at community over many years is that people think joining a community will make up for their weaknesses and deficits. The opposite is true, it will all such to light and test them sorely.
> There is an inefficiency in anything that goes beyond strict direct use. For a commuity to work, the total sum production of its individuals must exceed the requiraed total needs of the whole.
> Though it seems a bit of a koan, the only communities that
> ever actually succeed are those that are made up of more or less
> "isolated" individuals.
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