[Homestead] was SE PA, Now B*g Br*ther
lynnw1366 at hotmail.com
Mon Nov 17 09:24:37 EST 2008
I love raising meat birds; it's the processing I hate. I've raised meat
chickens in the past. I don't mind processing a few for myself, but doing
enough to sell gets to me. The smell of wet feathers turns my stomach, and
being elbow-deep in chicken guts for a couple days isn't something I enjoy.
Turkeys might be easier, since they are larger, and I wouldn't have to do as
I think a lot of domesticated animals in confinement situations get stupid,
or maybe just brain-dead. I've seen it in cows and chickens. Mine are all
free-range and pretty clever...my chickens can find their own food. They ate
my Halloween pumpkin right off the front porch...it was very scary-looking
by the time they got done with it. I've also seen them eat snakes, mice, and
voles. Sheep I don't know about...I think they may have had the brains bred
out of them. Mine can be pretty dumb.
Tioga Co. PA
----- Original Message -----
From: "bob ford" <bobford79 at yahoo.com>
To: <homestead at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Homestead] was SE PA, Now B*g Br*ther
> Why don't you raise turkeys? I have heard that domestic turkeys are
> stupid; that they sometimes forget to pull their head out of the water
> while drinkling , and consequently, drown.
> Wild turkeys are 'not' stupid. Much more difficult to hunt than deer or
> most other animals. I like turkey , once a year, at Thanksgiving. I buy
> several for the st. mary's food bank and try to get about a 10 - 12 pound
> one for me and the wife -- they are cheap at thanksgiving . More than
> that, I get sick of turkey .............bobford
> p.s. So, no "kooks" have knocked on the door, huh? be careful , one
> summer day , the wife and I could pass thru PA :-)
> --- On Mon, 11/17/08, Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> From: Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Homestead] was SE PA, Now B*g Br*ther
>> To: homestead at lists.ibiblio.org
>> Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 6:39 AM
>> That stuff doesn't really worry me. I don't write
>> anything on the internet
>> that isn't already public. I use my real name and
>> address. You can get a
>> Tioga Co. PA phone book and look me up...I have a listed
>> number. My name and
>> number is published in lots of places, since I have a
>> commercial farm
>> business. So far it hasn't brought me any kooks or
>> government agents. Just a
>> bunch of people looking for farm-raised Thanksgiving
>> turkeys, which,
>> unfortunately, I don't raise...it would have been a
>> great business this
>> year; lots of demand.
>> Lynn Wigglesworth
>> Tioga Co. PA
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "bob ford" <bobford79 at yahoo.com>
>> To: <homestead at lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 8:16 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Homestead] was SE PA, Now B*g Br*ther
>> > Lynn, this ABC news article from back in March shows a
>> little of about the
>> > mis-use of info. Now, this homestead list is as close
>> to a 'chat-room' as
>> > I've ever come. I've read and this article
>> mentions that most chat-rooms
>> > contain sex stuff, and in twelve or thirteen years ,
>> I've never heard any
>> > sex stuff on this site, but I guess this is still a
>> sort of chat room, or
>> > similar enough for this article to be
>> > Commentary: Big Brother Is Watching
>> > How Patriot Act Search Warrants Can Affect All of Us
>> > Commentary
>> > By Lance Ulanoff
>> > RSS A recent Associated Press article about the FBI
>> raiding an Ohio-based
>> > chat host company's offices and confiscating its
>> servers sent a chill up
>> > my spine.
>> > The FBI acted on information that someone may have
>> used the service for
>> > hacking. It was within its jurisdiction, obtaining a
>> warrant for the
>> > search and seizure. But it's what they could do
>> with those servers and the
>> > information stored on them that really has me spooked.
>> > I've visited Internet chat rooms. They tend to be
>> useless, annoying
>> > affairs where, along with potentially interesting
>> discourse, there are
>> > always a dozen or so idiots trolling for online sexual
>> banter. Spend three
>> > minutes in any chat room and you're likely to get
>> either a pop-up note or
>> > a direct question in the live thread that asks:
>> "ASL?" (Age, Sex,
>> > Location). It's annoying and this intrusion
>> usually drives me right out of
>> > the virtual room, but others stay.
>> > Chat rooms enjoy wide popularity across the Net, and I
>> doubt we'll ever
>> > see them fade away. I think this one, based in the
>> Columbus suburbs, was
>> > pretty nickel and dime. Even so, people who visit chat
>> rooms of any size
>> > and scope can become a pretty devoted bunch, so
>> I'm sure the servers will
>> > show some frequent participants. There are also
>> hundreds of looky-loos —
>> > people who drop in for a time, find nothing
>> particularly interesting and
>> > then drop out, probably never to return again.
>> > A Suspect Until Proven Innocent
>> > Now here's where the story gets scary.
>> > These chat rooms' servers have IPs and probably
>> e-mail addresses (if not
>> > much more) stored on them about both the regulars and
>> > "just-passing-through" users. Since the FBI
>> was looking for someone who
>> > may have hacked someone else's computer through
>> the aforementioned chat
>> > hosting service, everyone came under scrutiny.
>> > In other words, if you ever visited that chat room and
>> participated (or
>> > maybe just looked around) you're a suspect.
>> > This brings me back to my concern about the FBI's
>> (heck, any federal
>> > agency's) technical acumen.
>> > How good are they really about ferreting out the
>> difference between
>> > someone who may have done something to attack another
>> user and someone who
>> > was just hanging out? What if someone turned another
>> user's system into a
>> > zombie and it attacked another computer. Who will the
>> FBI go after then?
>> > Right now, I'm envisioning a series of frightening
>> home raids where the
>> > FBI confiscates personal computers from anyone they
>> think may have been
>> > involved.
>> > Powerful Patriot Act
>> > This new Big Brother-ish environment is fueled, to
>> some extent, by the
>> > Patriot Act, which is giving federal authorities far
>> more latitude in
>> > their pursuit of cybercriminals.
>> > I have no love for jerks that create viruses and
>> attack or take over other
>> > people's PCs, but I worry that the Feds now have
>> more power than they know
>> > what to do with. I believe this is primarily because
>> they don't understand
>> > just how twisted the thread of cyberterrorism can
>> become and how hard it
>> > can be to trace an attack to its correct origin.
>> > Let's, for argument's sake, consider the
>> possibility that the FBI knows
>> > exactly how to tell the good IPs and e-mail addresses
>> from the bad ones.
>> > What about all that other information that's on
>> those servers? There could
>> > be home addresses, credit card info, personal e-mails,
>> you name it.
>> > Who gets to draw the line about what the FBI can see?
>> A warrant to
>> > confiscate a server is like giving the FBI a warrant
>> to search every house
>> > in the state of Maine. The level and kinds of
>> information that could be on
>> > the servers is certainly as varied as what you could
>> find in a few
>> > thousand homes.
>> > I Was Framed, I Tell You
>> > It gets worse.
>> > Now say some employee at the unfortunate chat host
>> company has recently
>> > been slammed by pornographic spam e-mail. A user was
>> annoyed by the way he
>> > was treated in the chat room, so he signed up the chat
>> administrator (by
>> > using an e-mail he got in a reply from the
>> administrator) for a dozen porn
>> > services. He did it so fast that the admin's spam
>> and content filters have
>> > actually missed some of the e-mails.
>> > Joe Administrator deleted the e-mails as soon as they
>> arrived, but he
>> > accidentally left Outlook's preview pane open and
>> a message or two,
>> > complete with the porno graphics, loaded into his
>> message window. One
>> > message happened to contain a kiddie porn shot that
>> had been passed around
>> > the Net so many times that no one, including the porn
>> company, realized it
>> > was an illegal shot of a 12-year-old.
>> > The FBI, in its analysis of the servers, stumbles
>> across this image in the
>> > admin PC's cache and finds that it was stored as
>> part of his mailbox. Now
>> > he's under scrutiny for trafficking child porn.
>> This can actually happen.
>> > See how scary it can get?
>> > My words of warning to you are this: Think twice, even
>> three times, before
>> > visiting a chat room, message group, or any site where
>> you are interacting
>> > with hundreds of people you don't know. We all
>> love community, and making
>> > connections with other people is what drives this
>> world. But as long as
>> > Big Brother is watching, we're all at risk.
>> > Discuss this article in the PC Magazine forums.
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