[Homestead] big agri-biz
bobford79 at yahoo.com
Fri Dec 19 15:57:36 EST 2008
Maybe I shouldn't poke the rat with the stick, as you say. But sometimes I just feel like it is necessary. If we only listen to the self-righteous bluster of one or two, no new knowledfge is formwed. If james doesn't like what I say , he can use the delete key. I've deaslt with simple- minded bullies a certain way,and know that with time, my way works. And like james, right now , I have plenty of time. By the way, some of those people he ran off were very smart, kind, and added to the list.
--- On Fri, 12/19/08, Lynda <lurine at com-pair.net> wrote:
> From: Lynda <lurine at com-pair.net>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] big agri-biz
> To: bobford79 at yahoo.com, homestead at lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 1:29 PM
> Bob, you bring it on yourself. You are the one asking the
> questions, bemoaning the economy, etc. If you don't
> like the answers you get, then don't respond to them or
> block the posters that you don't like or whose answers
> you don't like. AND, if you don't want someone to
> come back at you, then don't, shall we say, poke the
> rattlesnake with a stick if you don't want to get bit.
> You need to remember that it is only joking when both
> parties think it is funny/entertaining. Obviously James
> doesn't like/enjoy/get your sense of humor. Seems Gene
> doesn't either.
> And, just a note about people leaving the list. Ah,
> that's what happens on lists. People come, people go.
> There is no such thing as a one list fits all. What annoys
> me is when folks attack someone on the list, someone who
> rarely has anything but good to say about everyone, someone
> who just happened to not agree with their latest shiney
> thing, suddenly those oh so piuse folks who jump on James
> about running folks off are attacking someone else simply
> because they had the audacity to bring FACTS, not
> "cheap shots, accusations and hysteria."
> This post and another have brought to mind something
> I've been thinking of, I think it is time that folks on
> the list, as far as concerns other list members need to
> remember that people who live in glass houses shouldn't
> throw rocks <g>
> Lynda who oft wonders why folks sometimes seem to be so
> afraid of the delete key.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "bobf"
> <bobford79 at yahoo.com>
> > Well James; you are certainly entitled to your
> opinion. When you speak of fences and goats, and plowing ,
> and such, you have only a few equals. When you expound upon
> how the entire country , except for the few, such as
> yourself, will be starving and moaning and totally at aloss
> at how to deal with life; you sound ridiculous.
> > You seem to have honestly deluded yourself into
> thinking that soon, the successes, fair or not, built by
> those all around you will dissappear into the ether. In
> three years, I'll still be on this list, and if you are
> , I can bet you will be predicting, again, how , soon,
> everyone but you will lose evrything, for only you are smart
> enough to predict the truth of the future (like our present
> oil shortage).
> > In those three years, people in your community will
> still have bass boats, and tractors and other machinations
> which you enjoy ridiculing. They will go about their lives,
> maybe with less; just as you will go about yours;
> 'already' with less.
> > In the homesteading sense, there is much about you to
> be admired. And I have tried to learn from you, to take the
> workable parts. But, James, I would never 'choose'
> to live like you. I don't know a reasonable person with
> any get-up -and-go who would. And, if you weren't
> hidden away from society; if you had what some might call an
> interesting or worldly existence, you, too, might care about
> your privacy and what the loss of that privacy could entail.
> > You have chosen a spartan life of intentional poverty.
> Fine. That is not something to which most people would
> aspire. I certainly don't. And you have never answered
> the questions from other list members about how you plan to
> keep your land, your Eden, in the face or a serious family
> medical problem or other liabilty. The fact is you
> don't have an answer. You have, on that front, just
> been lucky. Luck, James, Luck is your rule.
> > My homesteading mind-set is not the same as yours. In
> many ways , mine is much more progressive and responsible.
> No, I'm not a susteanance farmer, and don't want to
> be, though you say that is the only path. generally, I just
> roll my eyes and agree with you when you proclaim thus.
> > James, why do you waste your time belittling me and
> others on the list. In the past 14 years you have casued
> more people to leave this list thann everyone else combined.
> When it comes to sustenance farming , you are a genius.
> When it comes to life knowledge, you are just another guy
> with an oversized sense of self-imporatnce.
> > Why do you spend so much of your valuable time finding
> fault with others. because, you do spend a 'lot' of
> time doing just that. Could it be that your time isn't
> really a valuable as you have led us to believe?
> > I have pleanty of obstacles in life, from the
> gov't, to business, to health concerns; compared to all
> of that, you are just a gnat .........bobford
> > --- On Fri, 12/19/08, Clansgian at wmconnect.com
> <Clansgian at wmconnect.com> wrote:
> >> From: Clansgian at wmconnect.com
> <Clansgian at wmconnect.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Homestead] big agri-biz
> >> To: homestead at lists.ibiblio.org
> >> Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 8:00 AM
> >> > >No James, it isn't a deal. I think
> that you
> >> know I have a life;
> >> I know no such thing.
> >> I have observes a curious phenomenon on this list
> over the
> >> 14 years or so
> >> I've been reading it. There is a very
> different point
> >> of view from the
> >> homestead. It has been observed, especially when
> >> newcomer remonstrates that this
> >> list often talks about everything BUT
> homesteading, that
> >> this is more a list of
> >> homesteaders rather than a list about homesteading
> per se.
> >> And well it should be, there's plenty of nuts
> and bolts
> >> lists out there that
> >> forbid or discourage any subjects except cabbages
> >> goats. The most
> >> instructive thing I've found about this list
> is that a
> >> few times (alas all too few)
> >> there will be someone participating on the list
> who is NOT
> >> on a homestead but
> >> after a few years or so they manage to get there.
> >> timbre and nature of
> >> their posts change radically when they are made
> from that
> >> different
> >> perspective.
> >> So I have always found the value of this list to
> be a
> >> source of points of
> >> view from the homestead, from the corn patch, from
> >> woodpile, from stretching
> >> fence wire from the far flung rural corners.
> Views and
> >> opinions on the news,
> >> books, movies, music, life the unvierse and
> everything is
> >> different when it
> >> comes from a homestead.
> >> While people who are not homesteading have always
> >> things to contribute to
> >> this list. Most of them have been in the nature
> >> inquiries and analyses
> >> into this homesteading mindset. I would be much
> >> surprized if most of the
> >> hardscrabble folk here don't automatically
> muse when
> >> hearing pronouncements from
> >> outside the world of homesteading, "I wonder
> >> they'd think if they were
> >> here, seeing things from this point of view?"
> >> I bring this up, Bob, against a background that
> >> back over the last
> >> few months of this list with some dozen to score
> of regular
> >> posters, more than
> >> four out of every ten posts are from Bob. On a
> list where
> >> I (and perhaps
> >> others, who knows?) come to express and read what
> the world
> >> looks like from the
> >> vantage point of the homestead life, pushing
> toward half
> >> the total volume of
> >> posts are from another view point entirely. In
> >> e-circles that borders on
> >> trollish behavior.
> >> The practical upshot is that I've been having
> to delete
> >> whole threads (and it
> >> doesn't help that we have the bad habit of
> >> the subject line
> >> althought the subject might change seven times in
> a long
> >> thread) because of the
> >> volume of the list. It's getting harder and
> harder to
> >> know what to read and what
> >> to delete in order to keep the focus on how things
> in the
> >> world look from the
> >> homesteading mindset.
> >> So, Bob, I'm on this is to examine and
> experience what
> >> the world looks like
> >> from the point of view and mindset of the
> homestead. That
> >> will include a great
> >> many diverse subjects, literature, religion,
> >> science, food,
> >> philosophy, and all and sundry. The common thread
> >> them being what do all those
> >> things look like from a homesteading mindset.
> >> A person doesn't, I'd think, even have to
> BE on a
> >> homestead to have that
> >> mindset.
> >> But the general black-helicopter consipracy,
> >> 'they're out to get me', sort of
> >> thing is NOT the homestead mindset I am refering
> >> A good humorous comeback is a good thing. To go
> >> from a totally
> >> unrelated thread for a crude quip is boorish and
> yet easily
> >> overlooked .... if it
> >> weren't for the sheer volume of such.
> >> So you have a life, Bob. Pray, do tell us about it
> and how
> >> it relates to
> >> homesteading. Getting a thrill out of imagining
> that there
> >> is some paramount
> >> importance in peeking into your windows and
> rifling through
> >> your credit card
> >> receipts that would provoke "them" to
> want to do
> >> it to you continuously is not,
> >> says I, in any way related to homesteading.
> >> James
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