[Homestead] Depression first?
bobford79 at yahoo.com
Mon Dec 8 06:39:46 EST 2008
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--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Leslie <cayadopi at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Moriarity .... Revolution. He's right. These kind
> of events are the breeding ground for revolution.
> I suspect..... It is likely no accident that FEMA can suspend the
> constitution and institue martial law. It is likely no accident that one of the triggers is socialunrest, high unemployment, and depression conditions.It is no accident that small farmers are under attack, as
the food production/supply needs to be controlled by the State...for distribution.It is no accident that military troops are being positioned
on standby around the country.
******* We share some of the same worries, here; but I'm not really sure where you are going with this.............
> My comments earlier about the black helicopters. FEMA helicopters. They allegedly have a base somewhere aroundhere, allegedly a training camp for FEMA, but rumored to be a concentration camp.
****** Are all of FEMA's heicopter's "black", or just the ones you see ;-) ? Around 'where' is this rumored "concentration camp"?
> Allegedly FEMA has converted some 10 military bases into camps to house US citizens.
****** FEMA isn't that efficient or competent
> Once I was somewhere in Mexico, on a mini-tour to some
> ancient Mayan ruins. The guide claimed he was a decendent
> of the Mayans. As he walked us around, explaining what the
> various remains were, he explained that the Mayans
> didn't mysteriously disappear. Rather, the peasants
> rose up in anger against their leaders and killed them
> off. In killing off the leaders, they killed off the
> knowledge of their culture and disappeared into the forests
> and returned to living in a dark ages.
> Is it possible here that people rise up and kill their
> employers and local government employees in anger?
****** Anything is posssible, I suppose ................
> Zimbabwe here is not impossible. I don't know much about the country. I'm going to guess that pre-hyperinflation, our economies, education, government were very different. There are a lot of other countries really pissed at us. Putin has hatched a plan to destroy us and signed up others. Who knows how far that is going.
****** learn about Zimbabwe , pre Mugabe (Rhodesia)
> There are an awful lot of educated people and semi-educated people, that could think they can run things in this country. So Soviet like conditions may be a bit closer to our future. Where the government decides everything,allocates everything, spies on everyone.
****** The government is already spying on us; so are the corporations; what's your point? I'd rather have a bunch of farmers and fireman, community bankers, and high school math teachers, in congress than what we have now. Why would that be a bad thing?
> From the little I know, we almost went that path after the '29 crash and subsequent depression. A book written in the UK, The Road to Serfdom, while not popular in the UK, apparently became a bit hit here in the US and allegedly steered us away from that course back then.
****** Hayek is an Icon in the libertarian movement. He also won the Nobel prize, but I believe you are simplifying history ............
> as the economic conditions worsen either thru massive depression, worse than the 30s, or thru a hyper-inflationary depression here and in other countries, if will we travel the road the Russians took in their Revolultion, or travel the road of revolt away from oppression.
****** It might come to neither
> Our government is not going to give up easily. Lincoln attacked the South when they wanted to seceed. Now they are clearly spying on US citizens for without cause. Rights are violated daily. Our government kills people, and seizes their children, if they are"different", if they are individuals.
*******Okay, I'll generally agree, and it angers me to agree............
And the population, sensing danger, is instinctively arming themselves. I don't know if they know who the enemy is. But I do know, talk of secession, and deep anger at the government is growing. As is anger at business executives and Scam Street. I rarely interact with people
outside my little circle of friends, so I was shocked when I was traveling as I spoke with people in airports and airplanes. I have never seen people this pissed off and never seen people talking opening about seceeding from the Union in a dead serious tone. The fingers are pointing at Scam Street and the government. I can't see either of those two giving up their power without a fight.
****** I am trying to see where you are going .......
> And there is the other group in the population, those who feel entitled.
****** Who do you think makes up that group?
Total collapse, dark ages style, isn't out of the question either. You've read Rand. At some point,producers shrug, people give up...
***** You will not find me as big an adherent to all things Rand, as you might think. Who 'are" the producers, today ?
In an online philosophy course at the Rand Institute, they stated that that scenario would play out not in the speaker's lifetime, but in his children's. I couldn't quite tell his age, possibly 15 or so years older than me.
***** He was just another man, teaching an online course ,,,,,,,,,,,,
> Some things noticed in Ecuador:
*******When were you in Ecudor?
> --- On Sun, 12/7/08, bob ford <bobford79 at yahoo.com>
> Listen to this audio (click on the link, below). Whe you click on the link look for the audio by Bob Moriarity near the top of the page.
He runs 321Energy and 321Gold, I think Don or someone has mentioned the site before. Today he is throwing allin , so to speak, 'talking pitchforks and revolution
> Cycles fascinate me , also. 'it's like liquid
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