[Homestead] Political question, if I may
erthnsky at bellsouth.net
Mon Nov 13 18:29:00 EST 2006
Bill, I have tried to be quiet on this, but REALLY man, you are pushing
my buttons on this NBC Dateline thing.
Everyday, crimes are committed. The average criminal gets caught once
for every 10 like crimes he commits. If these horny bastards walk into
a house intending to have sex with a minor, then yes, they should go to
jail even if it never happened or was under fictitious circumstances.
There is no telling how many times they actually went through with their
intentions and committed the crime. Sorry Bill, but I think our
founding fathers of the Constitution would be the first ones to stand up
on my side of this issue.
Bill Jones wrote:
> A light bulb went on while I was doing dishes. When I was on the
> grand jury, I noticed that everywhere possible, a felony burglary
> charge was being tacked onto what would otherwise be misdemeanor
They are probably trying to get repeat offenders off the streets with
the 3 strikes and you're out law.
> finally I asked, "if a person were to enter a house without
> permission with the intention of stealing a lit cigarette in an
> ashtray, that would be a felony?" The presiding liawyer read us the
> statute with relish to prove that this was indeed the case. If you
> enter a house with the intention of committing a crime, no matter how
> small or whether related to the house or its occupants, whether or
> not they press charges (for instance, if you ducked into your
> vacationing buddy's kitchen to clean some out-of-season trout),
> you'll be guilty of a felony. This statute undoubtedly exists in
> California too.
It varies. See:
There are some key words in your hypothetical scenario "enter a house
without permission" (that is trespass even if you own and rent the house
to someone else!) and "intention of stealing".
Even so, I'd be pissed if someone came into my kitchen to clean his
illegal trout, just as I'd be pissed if someone hunted on my land. They
would be violating me and my right of ownership, and yeah, you betcha
they should face the music. Chances are, if they had no criminal intent
as you propose, they would get a fine or a slap on the wrist, but wrong
is wrong and no matter how non-violent or minor, laws exist for a
reason, and that reason is to maintain order in society.
> Now that laws exist with such creative potential, the product of a
> quarter-century of the fascist revolution, it dawns on me that the
> "free drug giveaway" was precisely the same thing. If they can prove
> that you walked through a doorway into a framed structure to obtain
> what you believed to be a joint, then you can be sent away for years.
I'm not familiar with this sting operation. Can you provide a
reference, a case, where someone was "sent away for years"?
> The neuter running the Ms. NebBisCh show probably didn't mention
Bill, why do you always berate people like that? There is no need for
it. I can understand you being upset with the show and it's producers,
but it's a real turnoff to anyone you are trying to convince if you are
name-calling those who disagree with you. This time, it's the show's
producers, whom I assume that you don't even know, but in the past, you
have called fellow list members names, too.
If you want people to listen to your viewpoints, a little more honey and
a little less vinegar might be the ticket.
> It might result in a massive tune-out, on the part of gullible
> females and others, if it became known that the only guys charged
> were the ones who actually brought the beer (after prompting) AND
> mentioned the (imaginary) girl by (fictitious) name, and then only
> because it's conveniently now a felony to enter a building with the
> intention of furnishing beer to a (non-existent) minor.
Doubtful, at least in my part of the country where personal rights are
valued and things are a bit more conservative than in say, California or
To comment further on an older post of yours,,,,
>>> I'm not surprised that someone out there thinks this is a great
>>> thing. Maybe it's a felony to steal play money that's really
>>> convincing looking too. If there were 3 non-existent
>>> quincean~eras in the made-up story, does that trigger 3 counts of
I'm not following...I don't know what quincean~eras means.
>> IIRC, you don't have kids, Bill, but assuming you did, what would
>> you do if you came home and found some guy chatting up your
>> 14-year-old in the kitchen? I'm sure it happens. If so many guys
>> will come out of the woodwork for the TV show, I'm sure they come
>> out when the bait is real, not a decoy. I see (and I think the law
>> does too) a big difference between showing up for free drugs and
>> showing up for free sex with a minor.
I pretty much agree with you, Marie, except on the last thing. Legally,
I don't see a difference between those two, although morally, there is
most certainly a difference.
And Bill, just because young girls can marry in other countries doesn't
make it okay for men to show up expecting sex from 13 year olds in this one.
BevanRon of EarthNSky Farm NW Georgia USDA Zone 7
34.498N 85.076W Bev is Earth, Ron is Sky
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