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Clansgian at wmconnect.com
Sun Dec 10 23:54:38 EST 2006
>Hmmm, so Sickle Cell, Huntington's, Tay Sacs, hemohilia, etc. are all caused
by "horrible personal choices." That's interesting.
Well, I'd echo what Gene said which is really the heart of the matter:
>Ah, but Bev, which is the best belief pattern to carry one through
You mention Tay Sachs disease. The incidence of Tay Sachs disease in North
America is between three and five babies each ..... YEAR. North America, not
just the US. What is disreputable in this discussion is to point to such
very, very rare genetic (chromosomal, actually) diseases as Tay Sachs, Marfan's,
and the like, and say, "See, genetic diseases! I told you so. Genes caused
those maladies and so I bet you it's not because I eat eleven cheeseburgers a
day, a 55 gallon drum of soda, that I'm obese. No sir, it's the genes. I'm
not out of breath and weak before my time because I smoke, it's the genes.
Nothing I could do about it. Yes, fat lardass caughing out my lungs that I am,
it's all genetic and so it's useless to think I could alter that with
lifestyle changes. And the bastard I married that ruined my life, not my fault
either, it was genetic. And th stupid business ventures, you guessed it, genetic."
>A young family moves to their homestead in the Appalachians and begins
>to raise their children in a healthy manner by all accounts. They don't
>smoke or drink or do anything even remotely considered self destructive.
>When the kid, who has always lived on the homestead, gets to be, say 25
>or so, he suddenly is diagnosed with terminal lung cancer.
And since that COULD happen, we then say, "See, there's the possibility that
it COULD happen, so let's all light up, we know it's really all chance and
Bev, there used to be a very effective PS add run here in Tennessee. It
started with two bodies wrapped in sheets by the side of the road as if there had
just been an accident. The narrator says, "These people died last year on
Tennessee's highway. They were wearing their seat belts." Then the camera
panned out to show the highway, median, surrounding hills all covered with shrouded
bodies. And the narrator says, "And these 2,300 people also died on
Tennessee's highways last year and they WEREN't wearing their seatbelts."
The same with all this blather about genetic diseases. I can make you a
logical argument that if you AREN't wearing your seatbelt and the car catches on
fire, you could get out quicker. Or tell you of people I've known who were in
crashes without a seatbelt and survived. But the stats staggeringly
overwhelmingly show that you odds (thats ODDs) of dying in an auto crash are greatly,
greatly reduced by wearing seatbelts (shoulder harness now of days).
It isn't, as you've suggested, a 60% share that we are in control of and the
rest is chance and genetics, it's closer to 99.9%. The 40% or more is people
who don't want to take responsibility for their choices and blame fate,
genetics, luck, for the mess they make for themselves. Once you start on that path,
it gets easier and easier to follow.
> We're not talking science here, Bev. We're into theology and received
That's right. We are looking at a situation where normal skepticism and
querry are pretty much thown out the window making the stand closer to theology
than science. That is, on the part of those who have a religious belief that
genetics explains every shade and turning of the human condition.
I was in highschool in the late 60's and was in a graduating class of 285.
Out of those 285 teenagers, maybe twenty or so were somewhat overweight and two
might have been considered obese ... by the standards of that day. One was
type 1 diabetic. I was driving by that same highschool recently and the number
of severely overweight children was staggering! Thinness was in short
supply. I read that the incidence of type 2 diabetes in teenagers is getting
Genetics caused this? How did the human genetic structure change that much
in 40 years? Yet there are those that sound much as you geneticist
apologists on this list that say, yes, obesity is in the main a genetic disorder. The
same with the rise in heart disease, cancer, and such .... and the ages at
which they are occuring. It was unheared of half a century ago and is common now
Geneticists are trying to say that our choice to overeat, smoke, be under
stress, cheat on spouses, steal, and murder are all genetically controlled. Not
The medivielists could point to the horizon on a certain date and say, "See
that group of stars? When you see those stars on the horizion at dawn, you
know warm weather isn't far off. See. Stars DO predict things, DO determine
things. So since I have this clear example, and I have a religious-like faith in
astrology, stars also determine everything else including whether you will
get sick or whether your crops will grow or you will have luck gambling."
Genetics is like astrology in that the few things that have been shown to be
reflected (notice my choice of word) in the genetic makeup are expounded upon
ad infinitum in a faith based system to include every aspect of human
condition as if we are all windup toys playing out our preordained genetic destiny
with nothing we can do about it.
And if you are uncomfortable with that view, hey, don't blame me it's
genetic. Tay Sach's disease ... look, that's genetic, so any way I happen to be is
genetic just like that.
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