[Compostteas] Re:Testing on 12 volt tea maker

m.norsen at attbi.com m.norsen at attbi.com
Wed Jun 26 01:36:25 EDT 2002


Testing on 110 volt brewer has been going on with SFI 
foor 1 year.  Maybe 25 test runs.  Starting a 
comprehensive series next week with SFI.  Will advise 
results.  In fact SFI may publish results.  12 hours ? 
maybe longer is better.  Our brew cycle has varied with 
good results at several periods of brew.  The 12 volt 
model is a bit smaller because the 12 volt puts out less 
air.  don't expect it would drive up to 250 as the 
110volt model does.  Expect some careful test results.  
all testing is being done with Ground Up TEA Base  The 
Base is a special compost designed to support tea 
generation.  I agree TEA brewing deserves knowing how 
and testing results.  However testing is too slow to 
test before the tea is used.  Only repeated testing 
until you know the results are consistent can you expect 
to know what is being applied.  I'm a little early with 
announcements of the brewers we have available. But all 
the work to date and tests and users have been so 
pleased I hope to supply people who really need this 
very practical brewer before to  late this season.  

When I read local papers suggesting soaking manure or 
back yard compost in a burlap bag for a few days, 
stirring to get air into the brew, yes I wonder how fast 
can education travel to prevent anaerobic multiplication 
of all the wrong stuff being sprayed on garden food. 
If the wrong tea brews cause grief it will set the idea 
of using TEA for gardening back a long ways.
Bob Norsen,    m.norsen at attbi.com 
  
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> From: "D" <madhava at fidalgo.net>
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> Corinna,
> What size brewer are you looking for?
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> Daniel
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>   From: Corinna Garmon=20
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>   Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 12:00 AM
>   Subject: [Compostteas] teamakers
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>   Hello - I am a small organic grower west of Atlanta, Georgia.  I am =
> very interested in using compost teas (especially on tomatoes to help =
> control blight).  Has anyone had good success?  Also - are there any =
> inexpensive yet good tea makers out there?  I can't afford the ones I've =
> seen so far.  $100-200 would be my budget.  I'd appreciate any help you =
> could give. =20
>   Thank you - Corinna
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>   --- Corinna Garmon
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Corinna,</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What size brewer are you looking =
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>   href=3D"mailto:garmonorganics at earthlink.net">Corinna Garmon</A> </DIV>
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>   <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Compostteas] =
> teamakers</DIV>
>   <DIV><BR></DIV>
>   <P>
>   <DIV></DIV>
>   <DIV>Hello - I am a small organic grower west of Atlanta, =
> Georgia.&nbsp; I am=20
>   very interested in using compost teas (especially on tomatoes to help =
> control=20
>   blight).&nbsp; Has anyone had good success?&nbsp; Also - are there any =
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>   inexpensive yet good tea makers out there?&nbsp; I can't afford the =
> ones I've=20
>   seen so far.&nbsp; $100-200 would be my budget.&nbsp; I'd appreciate =
> any help=20
>   you could give.&nbsp; </DIV>
>   <DIV>Thank you - Corinna</DIV>
>   <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
>   <DIV>--- Corinna Garmon</DIV>
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>   <DIV>---327 Old Four Notch Road</DIV>
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> From: "Corinna Garmon" <garmonorganics at earthlink.net>
> To: compostteas at lists.ibiblio.org, "D" <madhava at fidalgo.net>
> Subject: Re: [Compostteas] teamakers
> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 14:45:58 -0400
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> <DIV>Wow!&nbsp; Thanks for the fast response.</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>We have around 1 acre in mixed vegetable production where we would like to 
> use the compost tea the most.&nbsp; We also have 1 1/2 acres of vineyard and 1 
> acre of blueberries that would probably benefit from tea.&nbsp; I guess 5 - 10 
> gallons of high quality tea at a time would about do it.</DIV>
> <DIV>Corinna</DIV>
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> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Compostteas] teamakers</DIV>
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> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Corinna,</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What size brewer are you looking for?</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Daniel</FONT></DIV>
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> title=garmonorganics at earthlink.net>Corinna Garmon</A> </DIV>
> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
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> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 24, 2002 12:00 AM</DIV>
> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Compostteas] teamakers</DIV>
> <DIV><BR></DIV>
> <P>
> <DIV></DIV>
> <DIV>Hello - I am a small organic grower west of Atlanta, Georgia.&nbsp; I am 
> very interested in using compost teas (especially on tomatoes to help control 
> blight).&nbsp; Has anyone had good success?&nbsp; Also - are there any 
> inexpensive yet good tea makers out there?&nbsp; I can't afford the ones I've 
> seen so far.&nbsp; $100-200 would be my budget.&nbsp; I'd appreciate any help 
> you could give.&nbsp; </DIV>
> <DIV>Thank you - Corinna</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>--- Corinna Garmon</DIV>
> <DIV>--- <A 
> href="mailto:garmonorganics at earthlink.net">garmonorganics at earthlink.net</A></DIV
> >
> <DIV>---327 Old Four Notch Road</DIV>
> <DIV>--- Whitesburg, GA&nbsp;&nbsp;30185</DIV>
> <DIV>--- 770.214.8531 phone/fax</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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> <DIV>---327 Old Four Notch Road</DIV>
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> From: "Tom Jaszewski" <tomj at lvcm.com>
> To: <eddington at lvcm.com>, <Compostteas at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [Compostteas] nutrient analysis of teas
> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 16:33:58 -0700
> 
> Most of us, serious about tea, have indeed tested for nutrient value.
> Traditional nutrient analyses are nothing more than a very rough guide. The
> idea of answering and giving recommendations without any information is
> dangerous and irresponsible. Any tank mixes without adequate research and
> testing are nothing more than flirting with disaster. Yes, we are
> fertilizing with our tea. Helena has products that provide nutrients, and we
> have also found small quantities of fish emulsion to be effective. I really
> worry about the state of our technology when we rush out and try to
> "consult" in areas we are ill prepared to work in. I have 15 years of
> managing large botanical collections and wouldn't dream of trying to create
> "one shot" fertilization programs. "Basic" nutrients are certainly able to
> disrupt an already tenuous balance.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <eddington at lvcm.com>
> To: <Compostteas at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:57 AM
> Subject: [Compostteas] nutrient analysis of teas
> 
> 
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Has anyone done a complete nutrient analysis of their tea?  I have a
> > vineyard we are working with, and we thought of adding any additional
> > nutrients specific to their program to the teas not in the tank but as we
> > fill their drums  so they can use the tea for their entire fertilizing
> > program and get it all done in one shot.  Is anyone already doing this?
> > I am wondering if anything if anything we add (basic nutrients) might be
> > harmful to our microorganisms or if we should do this in two separate
> > steps like they do now?
> >
> > Carole Eddington
> 
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> Message: 8
> From: "Tom Jaszewski" <tomj at lvcm.com>
> To: "J Peter Young" <peter at sonomavineyardland.com>,
>    <compostteas at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [Compostteas] Upgrading SoilSoup
> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:10:45 -0700
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> Bruce Elliot sells a good "sock". I also found a number of good =
> alternatives at http://www.mcmaster.com/
> Search for "filter bags". There is a confusing assortment of "socks".
> 
>   ----- Original Message -----=20
>   From: J Peter Young=20
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>   Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 8:40 AM
>   Subject: [Compostteas] Upgrading SoilSoup
> 
> 
>   I have a 175 gallon SoilSoup tea maker that I am using on my vineyard =
> and I
>   want to make a few improvements. First I want to change the fabric =
> "socks"
>   that it uses so I can get better fungal extraction - any suggestions =
> on
>   other systems to use. I also need to ad a lot more air. I was going to =
> use
>   an air stone or industrial waste treatment air diffuser - can anyone
>   recommend one and a good pump to use?
> 
>   Peter
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Bruce Elliot sells a good "sock". I =
> also found a=20
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Search for "filter bags". There is a =
> confusing=20
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>   href=3D"mailto:peter at sonomavineyardland.com">J Peter Young</A> </DIV>
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>   <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Compostteas] =
> Upgrading=20
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>   <DIV><BR></DIV>
>   <DIV>I have a 175 gallon SoilSoup tea maker that I am using on my =
> vineyard and=20
>   I<BR>want to make a few improvements. First I want to change the =
> fabric=20
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> air. I=20
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> From: m.norsen at attbi.com
> To: compostteas at lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 04:26:28 +0000
> Subject: [Compostteas] 12 volt  air driven 1.16 hp tea generator
> 
> Approx 30 gallon tea generator driven by 12 volt 1/16th 
> hp air compressor.  30 gallons in 12 hours normal 
> production.  will you solar output pull that HP?  
> Probably need a storage battery to load up for a few 
> days, then run thru one day.  Hard way to get power.  
> 
> cost of the brewer ready to go in your 30 to 50 gallon 
> container is $ 675.00.   Reply m.norsen at attbi.com
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> Message: 10
> From: "Jeff Lowenfels" <jeff at gardener.com>
> To: <m.norsen at attbi.com>, <compostteas at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: RE: [Compostteas] 12 volt  air driven 1.16 hp tea generator
> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:43:39 -0700
> 
> O.K. I will bite:
> 
> <cost of the brewer ready to go in your 30 to 50 gallon
> container is $ 675.00>
> 
> and it makes tea in 12 hours.
> 
> How does the tea test out? If we need to raise the limit on KBs to list it,
> we will gladly do so. In fact, anyone selling a tea maker should do the
> same! And, anyone buying a teamaker without asking for test results is
> getting, what?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Jeff L
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