[Compostteas] Re: Compostteas digest, Vol 1 #67 - 3 msgs

m.norsen at attbi.com m.norsen at attbi.com
Wed Jul 10 23:53:16 EDT 2002


O2 meter?  Got mine at Grainger.  same as the one Elaine 
uses.  Extech Model # 407510  ver.1.7  03/02.  I don't 
know what the numbers are for.  Read and believe the 
directions, especially when it says let it settle down 
after you turn it on.  15 minute is frever but that is 
how long it takes.  I refreshed all my four letter words 
but it has finally got me trained.  Bob Norsen.
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>    3. O2 meters (Jeff Lowenfels)
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> From: "Brett Kacalek" <bjworks at wwdb.org>
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> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:17:37 -0700
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> What do you recommend by way of testing?  Do you send in for counts on
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> From: m.norsen at attbi.com
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> Cc: Scott at happyhouse.metalab.unc.edu, Alexander at happyhouse.metalab.unc.edu
> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 04:32:39 +0000
> Subject: [Compostteas] Re: Compostteas digest, Vol 1 #66 - 2 msgs
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> Verify what I am saying with SFI.  You are putting far  
> more nutrients in the tea than any O2 generator can cope 
> with.  The brewer is supposed to take moderately small 
> quantities of bacteria, fungi etc with noderate 
> quatities of nutrients and multiply by 10,000 or so to 
> make tea.  You started with all that the tea needed, 
> generated more microbes and then added more nutrients.  
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> I just did the same at SFI last week and got the same 
> results.  A brewer that slways stays at 7.5 to 8.5 with 
> the normal feeding got behind within 20 minutes of 
> overfeed.  I doubled the aeration rate and the brew stll 
> went to 1.5 over night.  Just took some added humic and 
> some fish.  Not a whole lot of eaither, added to a brew 
> already at 2,400 bacteria.  
> 
> suggest you use far less to start with and brew 24 
> hours, then use it.  But like I said ask SFI about what 
> you are doing.  Bob Norsen.
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> >    1. Confused (Scott Alexander)
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> > From: "Scott Alexander" <daylily at bigpond.com>
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> > Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:33:34 +1000
> > Subject: [Compostteas] Confused
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> > Armed with my new dissolved oxygen meter, thermometer, and pH meter, I began
> > another brew Sunday 12 noon. I was going to experiment a little with this
> > one by putting in a bag (made from shade cloth) of 10 kg of fungal dominated
> > material [forest litter, turkey's nest compost (this native turkey which
> > makes a big nest of forest litter and the composting process hatches the
> > eggs), and soil and some of the mulch above it which had lots of fungal
> > threads through it].
> > I also put an onion bag each of  alfalfa and organic mulch hay (taken from
> > the garden & it had lots of springtails in it) in the tank.
> > To the 700 litres of water, I added 3 litres of humic acid, 1 litre aloe
> > vera juice, two tablespoons of saponin powder.
> > The dissolved oxygen was 8ppm (I had been oxygenating the water for a 18
> > hours beforehand and also heating it to 24 Celsius) when I added the compost
> > and liquids and it dropped to 7.6 ppm and remained at that level until 10 am
> > Monday.
> > 
> > At 10 am I added the next lot of material ( a big bag of 20 kg of bacterial
> > dominated compost, worm castings and two whole daylily plants including the
> > soil around the roots), 2 litres of molasses, and 3 litres of a blend of
> > fish, kelp, and fulvic acid.
> > 
> > The above is almost the same proportions, mixtures etc as the brew which
> > gave me 1300 total bacteria and 8.55 total fungi  after 48 hours (except
> > there was about 5 kg more compost).
> > 
> > Now here's the problem. I had to switch off the pump and oxygenator for 10
> > minutes while I added the extra compost and when I measured the D O levels
> > again it was minus 2.  This was checked by an observer who also had a D O
> > meter. I had expected the levels to climb but now, 21 hours later, it is
> > still around the minus 1.8 - 1.9 level.
> > 
> > There is a good head of foam, the pH is 7.6, and the temp. is at 22.5
> > Celsius  AND IT SMELLS OK (the air temp was a chilly 6 celsius so I put my
> > hands in the tea to keep them warm while I contemplated my dilemma :-))
> > 
> > What is going on? Was this happening before as well  - only this time i have
> > a D O meter?
> > When CT assays are done, are anaerobic organisms counted as well?
> > 
> > Its 9.30 am and I will go back to the farm and remove the composts & hay and
> > continue the brew and see what happens next.
> > 
> > LEAF SAP pH
> > Is there anyone in the group who is famaliar with these levels. We tested
> > leaf sap pH on a few daylilies and found that all were around the 5.6 to 6
> > pH. I was told they should be around the 6.4 to 6.6 level.
> > 
> > Scott Alexander
> > Maleny
> > Queensland
> > AUSTRALIA
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> > Message: 2
> > From: "WINNIE IKIMI" <winnie at yahoo.com>
> > Reply-To: winnie-ikimi at excite.com
> > To: compostteas at lists.ibiblio.org
> > Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 05:58:08 -0600
> > Subject: [Compostteas] church expansion/donation
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> > My Lordship,my dear, Calvary greetings in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, I 
> > am former Mrs. Limota Mohammed, now Mrs. Winnie Ikimi, a widow to Late Sheik 
> > Mohammed Ikimi. I am 62 years old, I am now a new Christian convert, suffering 
> > from long time cancer of the breast, from all indications, that my condition 
> is 
> > really deteriorating and is quite obvious that I won't live more than six > 
> months, because the cancer stage has gotten to a very bad stage. My late husband 
> > was killed during the Gulf war, and during the period of our marriage we 
> > couldn't produce any child. My late husband was very wealthy and after his 
> > death, I inherited all his business and wealth. The doctor has advised me that 
> I 
> > may not live for more than six months, so I now decided to divide part of this 
> > wealth, to contribute to the development of the church in Africa, America, 
> > Europe and Asian Countries. This mission which will no doubt be tasking had 
> made 
> > me to relocate to Nigeria, Africa where I live presentl!
> > y. I was introduced to you through the spiritual rhelm and i prayed over it, I 
> > am willing to donate the sum of $10.000,000.00 Million United State Dollars to 
> > your Church via you for the development of your church and also for the less 
> > privileged. Please note that, this fund is lying in a Security Company abroad, 
> > and be prepared to travel to clear the consignment. Lastly I honestly pray 
> that > this money when transferred will be used for the said purpose, because I 
> have 
> > come to find out that wealth acquisition without Christ is vanity upon vanity. 
> > If you have to die says the Lord, keep fit and I will give you the crown of 
> > life. May the Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the 
> > fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you (AMEN). I await your urgent reply. 
> > Yours in Christ Winnie Ikimi No 3A Mohammed Avenue Safari Close. Kaduna. 
> > Nigeria. 
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> From: "Jeff Lowenfels" <jeff at gardener.com>
> To: <m.norsen at attbi.com>, <compostteas at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Cc: <Scott at happyhouse.metalab.unc.edu>, <Alexander at happyhouse.metalab.unc.edu>
> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 21:38:14 -0800
> Subject: [Compostteas] O2 meters
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> Where is the best web site for oxygen meter purchases?
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