[Commons-research] Commons-research Digest, Vol 2, Issue 14

Prodromos Tsiavos p.tsiavos at lse.ac.uk
Tue Mar 25 07:03:14 EDT 2008


Dear All,

I would side with Alek on this one. Conditioning participation upon a (non 
exclusive) open licensing scheme is a really thin requirement and it is in 
accordance to the iSummit's character as an event that promotes open/free 
culture. If some speakers are not willing to subscribe to such a policy we 
could individually assess the case, but not amend the open access policy 
overall. Allowing closed licensing schemes is contrary to the event's nature 
and poses the risk of diluting its identity.

Thanks for your time :)

best,
pRo

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alek Tarkowski" <alek at creativecommons.pl>
To: <commons-research at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Commons-research] Commons-research Digest, Vol 2, Issue 14


> Dear Giorgos,
>
> I am not sure that I agree that there is such a specificity to the
> Research Workshop and that furthermore out of the need for what you call
> respect as a venue for scientific discourse we need a special licensing
> scheme.
>
> I think that there is a place in the iSummit at large, and not just at
> the workshop, for those critical of our mission. At the same time a free
> licensing requirement is in my opinion not some extravagant, radical
> concept - and most importantly, it does not constrain the expression of
> any critical arguments. Personally I consider it a quite formal and
> quite minimal requirement (of course, I'm biased!). But maybe it's good
> to face those weary of free licensing to weight the pros and cons: if
> they are studying the commons, it should be worthwhile for them to
> attend, even at the price of giving in to this licensing model.
>
> I think we should be careful with the extent to which we pull out of the
> model accepted for the summit at large in the name of scientific
> specificity. I would like to think that Open Science is an important
> part of the commons movement - which proves that the free culture model
> can mix well with rules of scientific discourse / conduct.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Alek
>
>
>
> Giorgos Cheliotis wrote:
>> Thanks James,
>>
>> the only part from the link you sent which is relevant and actually 
>> important for the research track is the licensing part which requires 
>> that all submissions be licensed under CC BY 3.0. I am personally 
>> undecided on this one. A common practice in academic circles would be 
>> that the author agrees in advance that the submission will be published 
>> in a specific manner (online open access in this case), but without 
>> additional requirements on the public licensing of the content. I 
>> understand that licensing under CC is fitting for the isummit, but I'd 
>> hate to miss out on potentially very good submissions from folks who for 
>> a variety of reasons don't want to use this license.
>>
>> You see, as I explained in my last email, the iSummit as a whole may have 
>> a mission of promoting CC/free culture, but the Research Workshop needs 
>> to maintain some degree of neutrality and be open to all viewpoints, if 
>> it is to be respected as a venue for scientific discourse. So, yes to 
>> open access, and the proceedings will be published online, but is it wise 
>> to try and force a CC-BY on everyone?
>>
>> I do not have the answer to this. I'm just wary of adding 
>> "agenda-motivated" constraints to the research workshop, even if I 
>> personally support that agenda.
>>
>> Giorgos
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: commons-research-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org on behalf of James 
>> Cairns
>> Sent: Tue 3/25/2008 1:31 PM
>> To: commons-research at lists.ibiblio.org
>> Subject: Re: [Commons-research] Commons-research Digest, Vol 2, Issue 14
>>
>>
>>
>> There are terms and conditions here
>> <http://www.icommons.org/isummit08/submissions-terms-and-conditions/> -
>> have a look at the licensing section at the bottom as this is what may
>> have an effect on your discussion. I agree with what Giorgos says below
>> about getting people outside of the commons to take part...
>>
>> Giorgos Cheliotis wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know whether the iSummit/iCommons have a policy on this, but 
>>> let's remember that the research track, like any research 
>>> workshop/conference hopes to attract people beyond the "usual suspects" 
>>> of CC/icommons circles and some degree of flexibility may be warranted.
>>>
>>> By that I mean that if we have a great submission by someone who is 
>>> highly critical of CC and let's say he/she is also very skeptical when 
>>> it comes to open access, but is making a strong case for his/her 
>>> position and that position is backed by some solid research, then this 
>>> may be a person we will want to have presenting at the research track. 
>>> So, I guess all I'm saying is let's try to reach out beyond the 
>>> community and give people the flexibility to present their research as 
>>> they wish, within some commonly accepted bounds. Some kind of speaker 
>>> agreement may be a suitable tool for this purpose.
>>> <http://pml.wikidot.com/>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> From: commons-research-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org on behalf of Jessica 
>>> Coates
>>> Sent: Tue 3/25/2008 10:02 AM
>>> To: commons-research at lists.ibiblio.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Commons-research] Commons-research Digest, Vol 2, Issue 14
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We can presumably have some kind of speaker agreement, that asks them to 
>>> indicate whether they are happy for their materials to be made 
>>> available, and if so how.
>>>
>>> Unless the iSummit has a global policy on this.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jessica Coates
>>> Project Manager
>>> Creative Commons Clinic
>>> Queensland University of Technology
>>>
>>> ph: 07 3138 8301
>>> fax: 07 3138 9598
>>> email: j2.coates at qut.edu.au
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>>>    1. Re: (almost) final CFP (Giorgos Cheliotis)
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>>> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:45:41 +0800
>>> From: "Giorgos Cheliotis" <giorgos at smu.edu.sg>
>>> Subject: Re: [Commons-research] (almost) final CFP
>>> To: <commons-research at lists.ibiblio.org>
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>>> Good point, so far we make it clear that the extended abstracts will be 
>>> published online, but haven't specified anything for the presentation 
>>> slides. People will be likely making last-minute edits to their slides 
>>> shortly before they present, so this would be something I would prefer 
>>> to bring up during the workshop.
>>>
>>> Also, some researchers may not want to share their slides, for example 
>>> if these contain very early results, so I think we could bring this up 
>>> during the workshop and discuss possible objections to this, if any. I 
>>> support open access, but I'm also sensitive to the reasons why some 
>>> people may not want to make all their presentation material publicly 
>>> available, so perhaps we can have an opt-out system where open access to 
>>> presentation files is the default and if someone wants to opt out they 
>>> can express this during the workshop.
>>>
>>> Sounds reasonable?
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> From: commons-research-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org on behalf of Gavin 
>>> Baker
>>> Sent: Mon 3/24/2008 12:22 AM
>>> To: commons-research at lists.ibiblio.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Commons-research] (almost) final CFP
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> May I suggest that the CFP include a statement that accepted researchers
>>> will be expected to provide a copy of their presentation for free
>>> distribution online?
>>>
>>> I think it is valuable to be explicit and up-front about open access; in
>>> this way, open access becomes the norm.
>>>
>>> Giorgos Cheliotis wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> please take a look at the *latest and almost final CFP*. This will 
>>>> debut
>>>> soon on the icommons site but first I want to pass it through all of 
>>>> you
>>>> quickly to check for mistakes and ask for your general feedback.
>>>>
>>>> Jonathan Zittrain has agreed to chair the workshop, and I think he is a
>>>> wonderful fit for that role. As his bandwidth is limited I will help 
>>>> him
>>>> as co-chair and for now I'm still the main driver of the CFP in any
>>>> case. I have also asked Tyng-Ruey Chuang to co-chair given his 
>>>> excellent
>>>> organization of the Asian Commons meeting this year and his links to 
>>>> the
>>>> broader Asian academic community. As he has recent hands-on experience
>>>> with organizing a very successful workshop and the iSummit this year
>>>> will be in Asia, I thought that Tyng-Ruey will be of great assistance,
>>>> and indeed he has already started contributing greatly.
>>>>
>>>> There is some more additions to the academic program committee, to
>>>> increase international representation and the mix of senior vs more
>>>> junior scholars. Please do check that your name and affiliation are
>>>> correct and appear where they should.
>>>>
>>>> I hope that the above arrangement and the text in the CFP is acceptable
>>>> by most, if not by all. Do send any comments that you may have. Plans
>>>> for the speed-geeking session are also underway.
>>>>
>>>> Please also note in the CFP under "Workshop Format" a short
>>>> paragraph suggesting that members of the academic program committee 
>>>> will
>>>> be able to submit work as well, but will be subject to the same review
>>>> process and their participation in the committee will not guarantee
>>>> acceptance.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> best,
>>>> Giorgos
>>>>
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>>>
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